I finally got some intel... and it looks like it is scum taunting me.

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“Sorry for blocking you all this time. Isn’t this better?”

We haven't lost yet, and we're at 6. So no 3 scum. Probably 2? Maybe 1, but unlikely with no NK.

Okay, so D2 was probably a scum push for Caldias, and D4 was probably less scummy. Let's look at the votes:

D2: Bertie, Forty, Mad, Pod

D4: Ebon, Bertie, Biggs, Ghost

Bertie on both and early, so he's less likely to be the scum push. Let's look at Forty and Mad.

Forty:

Hammers D3.

Early vote D1 on the Matt train.

Mads:

Second to hammer D3.

No vote on the Matt train, D1.

I'll look at their actual posting tomorrow.

7 hours ago, BiggsIRL said:

Bertie on both and early, so he's less likely to be the scum push. Let's look at Forty and Mad.

This is where I think you're wrong. Unless my intel is totally wrong, Bertie or Ebon (maybe both) are scum. I'll go find my intel and analysis and post it here in just a sec

On 2/12/2020 at 1:55 PM, FortyInRed said:

##vote @PodRacer

Note that @Bertie Wooster and @ebon hawk have both been pushing hard on Pod so if he flips town that'll be telling

On 2/12/2020 at 1:56 PM, FortyInRed said:

Above is the voting record for day 3 as far as I can tell.

Here is my intel:

JUDGE RESULT : TWO SCUM WERE ON YESTERDAY’S VOTE

I'm pretty sure one of Bertie or Ebon are scum at this point.

Crap well that didn't work. Please see my post on page 13 where I share who voted on day 3 plus my intel.

So two of the following:

* Ebon

* Bertie

* Mad

* GNIP

* Forty

I'm not scum and neither Mad nor Ghost read scum either. Leaving Bertie and Ebon. Assuming, once again, my intel is true.

9 hours ago, BiggsIRL said:

I finally got some intel... and it looks like it is scum taunting me.

this lines up with my intel that scum can;t recurit just mess with what we get, or ovi is messing with us all

1 minute ago, EbonHawk said:

this lines up with my intel that scum can;t recurit just mess with what we get, or ovi is messing with us all

How can we trust that your intel is correct? It may be that scum can recruit but messed with your intel to tell you otherwise.

2 hours ago, FortyInRed said:

This is where I think you're wrong. Unless my intel is totally wrong, Bertie or Ebon (maybe both) are scum. I'll go find my intel and analysis and post it here in just a sec

Way i see it, cals intel said he can trust mad and gnips...

biggs has been blocked this whole time..

I know myself..

one of my intel said to hang bertie..

SOOO i see 4 possible outcomes:

1. Forty had advanced knowledge about roles, hence early claim and has been the one sending intel out

2. All intel has been incorrect

3. Bertie has been sending intel and send a kill order on him as possible cover hoping I wouldn't push him?

4. no one is not town.

1 minute ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

How can we trust that your intel is correct? It may be that scum can recruit but messed with your intel to tell you otherwise.

how can we trust anyones?

RE: bold that is just an assumption, as said my intel from a couple nights ago was in bold saying you're a traitor and have been recruited, kill bertie.

Why would bertie send that? More likely you, mad, or forty, NO? Why would ovi tell me it's not a mod message which very clearly shows my role hasn't been changed to me, as as any role change via traitor would be a mod message mechanic to change my role.

Then the next night I get intel telling me there is no scum, and ovi is messing with us?

Add to that biggs shady as **** intel what do we believe..

RN you mad forty look most suspect, as it's idiotic to believe bertie as lone scum would message someone telling them to kill him.

and if it's not you guys then I feel my no-vote is the only other option if we're all town

2 hours ago, FortyInRed said:

if as you say me and bertie are both scum and have been recruiting we would be at 3 v 3. Logically you're wrong

2 hours ago, FortyInRed said:

I'm not scum and neither Mad nor Ghost read scum either. Leaving Bertie and Ebon. Assuming, once again, my intel is true.

Here I am actually do scum reads of people and working out their game via posts?

You seem to be accepting intel despite everything saying it's untrustworthy..

Where's your workings out for if you're wrong? or do you know killing me nets you the game? I'm not seeing much solve this game from you or some others

My gut is telling me we have at least one scum. Who else would be feeding bad info? A no lynch won't help, since with no NK no suspects are removed. It just leads to a 48 hour wait and more bad info, with a possible recruitment if that is a thing. We saw from a few days ago, when we failed to get a lynch on (was it Cal?) that it has no effect in terms of ending the game.

So we should be voting. It makes no sense not to. Ebon's vote for a no lynch is entirely unhelpful and makes me a bit more suspicious of him. I will

##vote @EbonHawk

now, since I am not particularly concerned with the prospect of scum piling on (L-3, and I think it's unlikely he's town).

Ebon how do we win as town if we no vote?

Also want to point out that one of the last things I mentioned yesterday was that I think Biggs is ******* with us, and he’s already laying the groundwork to train me.

Before he died, Cal also liked Biggs as scum.

Also, if my N1 Info WAS hacked by Biggs, his D2 list saying he had a “gut feeling” I was town is a smart cozy. He would know I received info he was town, and that as such I’d be more receptive to information that confirmed that. He also disappeared at the end of the day we had a no lynch after pulling his vote.

My reasoning tho is predicated on him having hacked me N1. My N2 info was corroborated as not infiltrated tho, and it says scum visited him. Unless that player’s intel was also hacked. But its a lot of ifs for a vote.

11 hours ago, BiggsIRL said:

I finally got some intel... and it looks like it is scum taunting me.

I thought we weren't allowed to quote mod PMs? 🤔

2 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

if as you say me and bertie are both scum and have been recruiting we would be at 3 v 3. Logically you're wrong

I said I think you're scum; not that you're recruiting. You're putting words in my mouth.

##vote @EbonHawk

2 hours ago, FortyInRed said:

I said I think you're scum; not that you're recruiting. You're putting words in my mouth.

##vote @EbonHawk

I think he meant recruit ed .

5 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

if as you say me and bertie are both scum and have been recruiting we would be at 3 v 3. Logically you're wrong

That only works when there is a night kill. Without it, even if scum tied the vote, they couldn't win. Typically a scum win con is "Till all town is dead or nothing can prevent that". Here, scum has to control, not tie, the vote for that to be true.

8 hours ago, Madaghmire said:

Ebon how do we win as town if we no vote?

I don'y know, maybe we're all analysts and we win when we stop killing each other! no night kills only us killing..

either that or I'll take a lynch, because I'm stumped

6 hours ago, FortyInRed said:

I said I think you're scum; not that you're recruiting. You're putting words in my mouth.

##vote @EbonHawk

so i started out as scum?

3 hours ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

That only works when there is a night kill. Without it, even if scum tied the vote, they couldn't win. Typically a scum win con is "Till all town is dead or nothing can prevent that". Here, scum has to control, not tie, the vote for that to be true.

fwiw I'm in no scum chat, I know of no one that is scum. and I know mod didn't send me that message or change my role..

no doubt i'll flop town like pod, cal, matt...

1 hour ago, EbonHawk said:

I don'y know, maybe we're all analysts and we win when we stop killing each other! no night kills only us killing..

either that or I'll take a lynch, because I'm stumped

We tried that accidentally, when we had a no-lynch. Nothing happened.

1 hour ago, EbonHawk said:

fwiw I'm in no scum chat, I know of no one that is scum. and I know mod didn't send me that message or change my role..

I mean, you would say that, as scum, so we can't really take your word for it. . .

41 minutes ago, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

I mean, you would say that, as scum, so we can't really take your word for it. .

then logic would say I die, after that pursue mads theory i think

##unvote

##vote @ebon hawk other me

Bah, f it.

##vote BiggsIRL

I’m at the hail mary stage