8 minutes ago, LTuser said:

BUT if you can switch it off, so easily, AND all you suffer is a potential 'altering of your trajectory', WHY Then did all the old RPGS describe it as if you got too close to the grav well, it would blow you up'??

Because the old RPG’s aren't canon? They made something up based on very little information and stuck with it.

As to the “all you suffer” comment, if you think how big space is, and what exactly has to be accounted for with a hyperspace jump, and how difficult it is to get to certain places, an alter of your trajectory could, indeed, make you fly through a star and other nasty outcomes. This would of course, end your trip real fast.

Who says it is easy? While we see the main characters of stories succeed, how many cocky noname characters probably die doing the same thing?

3 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

Because the old RPG’s aren't canon?

This is something people CANNOT wrap their heads around.

I mean in the movie it seemed Light-Speed skipping was HIGHLY dangerous. When Poe does it Chewie complains and Poe mentions that Rey isn't here, which either A implies that Rey wouldn't be happy he was taking such a risk or that B its best if Rey does it with her able to use the Force.

When they get back the Falcon is on fire and Rey seems pretty mad that he did Light Speed Skipping.

Also the Ties were the SF ones, or at lest some of the ones we see.

Did Poe just luck out and jump somewhere there were pillars and other environmental hazards or did he remember the coordinates for all of those spots?

23 hours ago, That Blasted Samophlange said:

Who says it is easy? While we see the main characters of stories succeed, how many cocky noname characters probably die doing the same thing?

Then why don't we SEE more failures, to show/prove how dangerous it is?? All we have to go on, is the quote from Han in ANH, where he mentions "Going into hyperspace isn't easy kid".. BUT based on what we see in ALL the new films, it certainly does seem to be easy.

23 hours ago, KCDodger said:

This is something people CANNOT wrap their heads around.

Its not just from the RPG though. The Novelizations of ANH and ESB seem to indicate you can't enter hyperspace too near a planet.. TILL we get to Rogue one/TFA, where they seem to be going into hyperspace INSIDE A planet's atmosphere...

21 minutes ago, LTuser said:

Its not just from the RPG though. The Novelizations of ANH and ESB seem to indicate you can't enter hyperspace too near a planet.. TILL we get to Rogue one/TFA, where they seem to be going into hyperspace INSIDE A planet's atmosphere...

EVEN with the new Disney books/comics that are all supposed to be canon, if it isn't shown/said on film (live action or animated) then don't take it as gospel. It can be changed with a click of a finger, be it Lucas' or now Disney's.

25 minutes ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

Han: "Well that some how worked."

Ben: "Bring it then..."

5 hours ago, LTuser said:

Then why don't we SEE more failures, to show/prove how dangerous it is?? All we have to go on, is the quote from Han in ANH, where he mentions "Going into hyperspace isn't easy kid".. BUT based on what we see in ALL the new films, it certainly does seem to be easy.

Okay, so here's a couple things about telling a story in a movie:

ONE ; you only have so much time. This is mainly due to a few factors, the average size of a human bladder and the fact that cinemas want to have as many showings as possible, I'm sure there are more.

Going with this, to show the failure scene you want, you have to write it into the script. Now how do you do that in an unobtrusive way that follows the story? See filming, animating, editing all take time. Having a scene to show all this adds a lot of extraneous effort for a production for very little gain. So we get Han’s quote about how difficult it is. This sets the precedent for the situation being difficult without having a cutaway to some random character blowing up which would have zero to do with the plot in the films we see.

Now if we were talking about, say a book, then you of course could have an interlude about how Roy Neutronsnuffer smacked directly into the moons of Iego because he thought he could ignore the safeties that hyperdrives have built in, but in a film this would add NOTHING to furthering the storyline of, say, A New Hope.

TWO ; the characters we see are the heroes of the story. If they die, the movie ends, or likewise for whatever story you are telling. So these characters do the impossible/improbable. Why? Again, they are the heroes, or are doing something heroic. We are told in a story that doing something is difficult, such as navigating an asteroid field, and our heroes do it because it is A) dramatic, and B) shows off how special the characters are. This really is plot armour. Heroes succeed at doing something that the ordinary couldn't do.

Poe’s hyperskip exemplifies this; yes exaggeratedly so, but he does this because we know (or at least heavily implied that they can) that the first order can track the ship, so he has to lose them. Everytime he does this the tracking TIEs (Special forces it seems) get whittled down till there are none following . The heroes in the ship do something outrageous to succeed and carry on.

I get that the movies and stories say something is hard and then minutes later show that the heroes do it with easy, but that is narrative story telling. We are told Plotting hyperspace is difficult, so of course the heroes do the impossible/improbable. We are told navigating the asteroid field is ridiculously hard, so of course the heroes do it. We are shown that the shot to blow up the death star is nigh impossible so of course the MAIN CHARACTER makes the shot.

So to sum up, due to time constraints and drama you will have something explained that is difficult/impossible only so the hero can overcome it. Heroes do the impossible, or heroic deeds, while everyone else is there to be average compared.

Confirmed

Rey's lightsaber flashes a green and blue light before igniting yellow.

Kevin Smith confirms his cameo. He is the guy in the middle, a local from Kijimi.

10 minutes ago, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

Kevin Smith confirms his cameo. He is the guy in the middle, a local from Kijimi.

Too much time hand shaking and back slapping, not enough time on an actual story. That's friend service, not fan service.

16 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Too much time hand shaking and back slapping, not enough time on an actual story. That's friend service, not fan service.

Oof. You're just oozing pettiness from every pore, aren't you?

8 minutes ago, Derpzilla88 said:

Oof. You're just oozing pettiness from every pore, aren't you?

Not really. But I'd love to know why Kevin Smith deserved a cameo and screen time in Star Wars over, you know, any other surviving sequel/original trilogy character.

But hey! He's a vocal, celebrity "fan"! Let's give this guy a moment, shall we?

Angry Joe probably deserved a cameo just as much, and I can't stand that guy.

On 12/20/2019 at 9:13 AM, Imperial Advisor Arem Heshvaun said:

On 12/20/2019 at 9:23 AM, Hiemfire said:

Revan (obviously) Tenebrous and Desolous I'm familiar with from Legends. Though only loosely on the latter 2.

Edit: Specifically about the latter 2, iirc Tenebrous was one of the 4 founding Sith lords that enslaved Korriban and Desolous was one of the higher ranking Sith lords that Darth Bane exterminated during his founding of the Two Sith sub-tradition. I could be wrong though.

Grr. Freaking muddled memory, I was wrong on those two. Really kicking myself on messing up on Desolous too. The Cortosis shields he equipped his legion (the one he personally raised and used to against the Jedi, not the one Palp set up and named after him) with were sweet. SWE's breakdown:

3 minutes ago, FTS Gecko said:

Not really. But I'd love to know why Kevin Smith deserved a cameo and screen time in Star Wars over, you know, any other surviving sequel/original trilogy character.

But hey! He's a vocal, celebrity "fan"! Let's give this guy a moment, shall we?

Angry Joe probably deserved a cameo just as much, and I can't stand that guy.

He shows up as a background character cameo. Not even a line of dialogue. That's it. I cannot even fathom why anyone would put in the effort to get upset about that.

Every other sequel and original trilogy character had screen time and lines in the movie. Even Wedge Antilles has more dialogue and just as much screen time as him.

4 minutes ago, Derpzilla88 said:

He shows up as a background character cameo. Not even a line of dialogue. That's it. I cannot even fathom why anyone would put in the effort to get upset about that.

Every other sequel and original trilogy character had screen time and lines in the movie. Even Wedge Antilles has more dialogue and just as much screen time as him.

OK, right, sure.

So, if you can give me one good reason why it's Kevin Smith getting a cameo, and not - say - some critically injured or terminal but lifelong Star Wars fan who's getting the cameo, especially given the time if year and release date, you can persuade me it's not just anorher case of the good old boys club / it's not what you know, it's who you know.

1 minute ago, FTS Gecko said:

OK, right, sure.

So, if you can give me one good reason why it's Kevin Smith getting a cameo, and not - say - some critically injured or terminal but lifelong Star Wars fan who's getting the cameo, especially given the time if year and release date, you can persuade me it's not just anorher case of the good old boys club / it's not what you know, it's who you know.

Because a cameo is, by definition, the appearance of a well known person in the performing arts. Putting in some random fan doesn't make it a cameo, it makes them an extra on the set.

But alright. Let's throw "critically injured or terminal but lifelong Star Wars fan" in there. Same cameo treatment. You know who cares that they're there?
No one but that person and their friends and family.

JJ Abrams threw in his friend in there. You know who cares?
No one but Kevin Smith's friends and family.

19 minutes ago, Derpzilla88 said:

JJ Abrams threw in his friend in there. You know who cares?

No one but Kevin Smith's friends and family.

Not forgetting of course, Kevin Smith himself. So like I said then - hand shaking and back slapping.

Wow. You basically just said - "there's no point doing something nice for someone who needs a lift, may as well just feed the ego of an egotist instead!"

Going to be a lot of fun seeing Kevin Smith's take on the film 😂 😂 😂

5 hours ago, Derpzilla88 said:

Oof. You're just oozing pettiness from every pore, aren't you?

Yeah FTS' comment here is kind of weird.

4 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

OK, right, sure.

So, if you can give me one good reason why it's Kevin Smith getting a cameo, and not - say - some critically injured or terminal but lifelong Star Wars fan who's getting the cameo, especially given the time if year and release date, you can persuade me it's not just anorher case of the good old boys club / it's not what you know, it's who you know.

dude

On 12/21/2019 at 7:01 PM, Momonip said:

And how can the TIEs follow?

I'm assuming they're supposed to be special forces versions, which are hyperspace capable. I don't recall any shot giving a good enough angle to tell for sure.

7 minutes ago, KCDodger said:

Yeah FTS' comment here is kind of weird.

No one wants to stop others from enjoying Star Wars more than FTS.

Even if it's resorting to the most petty, bottom of the barrel, and ridiculous "criticisms" he can find.