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1 hour ago, Gimgamgoo said:

There's no other way to get those bases without buying an entire box of stuff that isn't all needed.

If you buy a second kit I personally guarantee you will use every single item in it except the unique commanders.

There’s NO unnecessary duplication. Please, if this is true, list for me the extra parts you’re getting in a second kit that you’d rather not spend money on?

1 minute ago, ClassicalMoser said:

If you buy a second kit I personally guarantee you will use every single item in it except the unique commanders.

There’s NO unnecessary duplication. Please, if this is true, list for me the extra parts you’re getting in a second kit that you’d rather not spend money on?

My guess is... duplicate ship cards. But if you're so concerned about being able to field 3 or more Huge ships in the same match, you're either supplying ships for your opponent too or are playing a really high point value match and thus are fielding 3+ ships for your faction at the same time. At which point you're using the duplicates. Which means title cards and other unique upgrades are the only "wasted" contents of the 2nd conversion kit.

Then again, if you only cared about fielding ships for 1 or 2 specific factions you'd consider most of the first conversion kit's ship cards and titles to be waste too.

2 hours ago, Jeff Wilder said:

Don't worry about it. Apologists gonna apologist, and the FFG apologists here will basically stand on their heads and recite Ayn Rand in order to deny any validity of the criticism of FFG's most egregious choices.

I’m hardly an apologist. I’ve been critical of them in the past (I raised all sorts of trouble in those early days where it was all about hyperspace only and you couldn’t find an extended format event to save your life). I’ve also been pretty critical about epic support in the form of the app and the fiasco over the CR90 expansion dial.

I am happy to criticize them again if they make a mistake. I just don’t feel the huge ship conversion kit is one of them

I’m not an apologist, I'm Canadian. Sorry.

I'm no "apologist" either. I can be extremely critical of companies. Especially if it's a product I like and feel is being mismanaged. But I'm also fully capable of reading the store's Details page and concluding "This is intended for a single person, and that it's probably intended to let you field two Huge ships at a time" even without it specifically stating how many plastic bases there are. What would my evidence for coming to that conclusion be? Well, for one thing there's one of each title and ship card. There's also only one of each unique upgrade. This tells me it's obviously not intended to be used for multiple people playing the same faction. There's also only 2 of each non-unique upgrade, barring a few crew cards, Fire-Control System, the illicit ones and proximity mine of course. This tells me the conversion kit expects me to at most be converting two ships at a time. Otherwise there would be more of a given upgrade just in case you want to put Turbolaser Batteries on three ships, for example.

Point of fact, the Tantive IV expansion comes with one of each card in the expansion box. The C-Roc also only comes with one of each card. The Imperial Raider once again comes with just one of each card. Actually, FFG has established a pattern with every single expansion to date of you getting only one copy of a given upgrade card with a ship. With that in mind, why would you expect the Conversion Kit, which has 2 copies of most of the non-unique cards, to have 3 or more bases? As far as I can tell, the faction conversion kits and the core set are the only X-Wing 2.0 products that provide more then one of a given upgrade card. And even there, the Core Set only gives a duplicate of the force upgrades. Which only Luke Skywalker can use in the core set.

So, I've been slammed for not knowing what was in the box...

According to the product page (fully copied into the quote below)

I see no indication anywhere that base sizes were changing. I fully expected to be able to continue to use my epic ships as they were. Had I known before hand that the new card base slots wouldn't fit the old bases, and that only 2 new bases would be provided, I would have known I'd need more than one. The product page description read to me like it would upgrade all 5 epic ships.

Guess I'll go back to the background and let the white knights be correct.

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Launch your Star Wars ™: X-Wing game into bigger battles with the Huge Ship Conversion Kit ! This kit contains the components to upgrade your huge ship experience from the First Edition to the Second Edition, including ship cards, upgrade cards, and ship tokens, as well as a new maneuver tool, new huge ship damage deck, and more!

Many of these ships served in mulitple conflicts, of course, and you'll also find entirely new components here that allow you to field a huge ship no matter which faction you choose. Finally, this kit features a variety of new upgrades exclusive to huge ships, including Commands, Teams, Cargo, and potent Hardpoints that grant additional attacks.

Within this kit, you'll find:

• 10 Ship Cards:
  • 1 Alderaanian Guard
  • 1 Echo Base Evacuees
  • 1 First Order Collaborators
  • 1 First Order Sympathizers
  • 1 New Republic Volunteers
  • 1 Outer Rim Garrison
  • 1 Outer Rim Patrol
  • 1 Republic Judiciary
  • 1 Separatist Privateers
  • 1 Syndicate Smugglers
• 8 Command, Crew Upgrades
  • 1 Admiral Ozzel
  • 1 Azmorigan
  • 1 Captain Needa
  • 1 Carlist Rieekan
  • 1 Jan Dodonna
  • 1 Raymus Antilles
  • 1 Stalwart Captain
  • 1 Strategic Commander
• 1 Sensor Upgrade
  • 1 Fire-Control System
• 10 Hardpoint Upgrades
  • 2 Ion Cannon Batteries
  • 2 Ordnance Tubes
  • 2 Point Defense Batteries
  • 2 Targeting Batteries
  • 2 Turbolaser Batteries
• 1 Cannon Upgrade
  • 1 Heavy Laser Cannon
• 2 Turret Upgrades
  • 2 Dorsal Turrets
• 2 Torpedo Upgrades
  • 2 Adv. Proton Torpedoes
• 4 Missile Upgrades
  • 2 Cluster Missiles
  • 2 Concussion Missiles
• 3 Crew Upgrades
  • 1 Novice Technician
  • 1 Seasoned Navigator
  • 1 Toryn Farr
• 4 Gunner Upgrades
  • 2 Agile Gunner
  • 2 Hotshot Gunner
• 14 Team Upgrades
  • 2 Bombardment Specialists
  • 2 Comms Team
  • 2 Damage Control Team
  • 2 Gunnery Specialists
  • 2 IG-RM Droids
  • 2 Ordnance Team
  • 2 Sensor Experts
• 8 Cargo Upgrades
  • 2 Adaptive Shields
  • 2 Boosted Scanners
  • 2 Optimized Power Core
  • 2 Tibanna Reserves
• 3 Illicit Upgrades
  • 1 Quick-Release Locks
  • 1 Saboteur's Map
  • 1 Scanner Baffler
• 1 Device Upgrade
  • 1 Proximity Mines
• 19 Title Upgrades
  • 1 Assailer
  • 1 Blood Crow
  • 1 Bright Hope
  • 1 Broken Horn
  • 1 Corvus
  • 1 Dodonna's Pride
  • 1 Impetuous
  • 1 Insatiable Worrt
  • 1 Instigator
  • 1 Jaina's Light
  • 1 Liberator
  • 1 Luminous
  • 1 Merchant One
  • 1 Quantum Storm
  • 1 Requiem
  • 1 Suppressor
  • 1 Tantive IV
  • 1 Thunderstrike
  • 1 Vector
• 2 Configuration Upgrades
  • 2 Corsair Refit

2 hours ago, Gimgamgoo said:

So, I've been slammed for not knowing what was in the box...

To be fair, it’s the internet. You get slammed for saying your favourite colour is blue... it’s not, is it?

so you got an opinion. You read through this thread and all the heated posts. Then you added your situation. Not sure really what you were expecting but don’t take it personally. You do you, look after having fun at your table.

3 hours ago, Gimgamgoo said:

So, I've been slammed for not knowing what was in the box...

According to the product page (fully copied into the quote below)

I see no indication anywhere that base sizes were changing. I fully expected to be able to continue to use my epic ships as they were. Had I known before hand that the new card base slots wouldn't fit the old bases, and that only 2 new bases would be provided, I would have known I'd need more than one. The product page description read to me like it would upgrade all 5 epic ships.

Guess I'll go back to the background and let the white knights be correct.

I just got my kit last night. The little red box in the lower right corner reads "Upgrade your huge ship collection " (emphasis mine). I could very easily interpret that as "the 5 large ships previously available in the game each receive a complete conversion into 2.0." Especially since dials do allow for 5 conversions. All I'm saying is that the kit isn't super specific, and does leave room for misinterpretation.

Also, as an aside, the movement template could be modified to accommodate the old stands. Granted, at that point you'll probably want 2 of them because you will make one permanently unofficial, but with that, all my old 1.0 ships can remain on old bases and be used as-is save the 2 I can upgrade. For me, the fudge factor involved is far more practical than rebasing nearly a dozen ships.

So can you actually not use the old bases? How have they made something different that is universal to all the huges without being compatible with the old bases?

34 minutes ago, Talonbane Cobra said:

So can you actually not use the old bases? How have they made something different that is universal to all the huges without being compatible with the old bases?

Well, the old system with the bases was clumsy and prone to falling apart mid game. They started from scratch to redesign. Worth it.

3 hours ago, Talonbane Cobra said:

So can you actually not use the old bases? How have they made something different that is universal to all the huges without being compatible with the old bases?

There are 2 problems:

A. All ships are fitted to the same size base now. In 1.0, the Raider and CR-90 had bigger footprints than the other 3 ships.

B. The maneuver tool has a hook/beak on the front that fits snugly under the 2.0 base. To use it with a 1.0 base, I'll cut the front tab off so that it can fit flat against an old 1.0 square base. The back end will need to have a bit shaved off to fit in the space between stands of a smaller Huge on 1.0 stands. It's a couple minutes work with a jigsaw; you just have to be careful to maintain the 45 degree angle in the front.

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They started from scratch to redesign. Worth it.

Absolutely, as far as moving the ball forward goes.

But I can modify 1 ruler or constantly rebase 10 ships. Gonna go with the former.

32 minutes ago, Talonbane Cobra said:

So can you actually not use the old bases? How have they made something different that is universal to all the huges without being compatible with the old bases?

By making one base that isn't split into two individual bases. This one base has peg locations to accommodate both sizes of Huge Ship. Here, let me call up some images to show what I mean. First, the CR-90 and (I think) GR-75 from 1.0 on their bases.

Next I'll put a pic of a 2.0 ship on the base.

Note that this base is all one solid piece of plastic, not two separate pieces of plastic. Not that this is immediately obvious with the ship base plate in position. In addition, the new base was designed to work alongside the new maneuver tool. Which lets your ship make 45 degree banks rather then the 30 degree banks from 1st edition. I'd imagine that since the base is all one piece, it would be more stable too.

So I need to buy 2 conversion kits and throw away all the cardboard from one. Amazing.

4 hours ago, Talonbane Cobra said:

So can you actually not use the old bases? How have they made something different that is universal to all the huges without being compatible with the old bases?

The new card bases, do not fit the old bases. I've tried. You could cut sections of the card off to get them to fit, but then you're cutting off sections of firing arc lines.

The new movement ruler doesn't work with the old bases either due to it needing an angled section to hook around.

It may be my kit only, but my CR90 fits snuggly on the vertical posts it came with. The new vertical posts seem to have a looser connection at the top and the model doesn't stick to the uprights. As soon as it's touched, it falls off. I didn't want to have to glue them, as I only have 2 new bases and all 5 epic ships.

I'm pretty outraged.

23 hours ago, Kehl_Aecea said:

Sooo... they announced ahead of time what was in the box. They had live streams, articles, and even on the box itself it listed what was in it. You bought it anyway.

So, how large of an enforcer did FFG send to force you to buy their product, bring it home, and open it instead of... not doing that and requesting your money back?

I can't imagine how intimidating that must have been.

Oh, how this forum is full of such friendly and helpful people.

Check out:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/x-wing-second-edition/products/huge-ship-conversion-kit/

No-where did it say anything about 2 bases. Nor did it say that all your old bases wouldn't work anymore. So, yeah, I pre-ordered one when they were announced.

But, thanks for taking the time to put off a fellow player from ever bothering with the official forum.

3 minutes ago, Gimgamgoo said:

Oh, how this forum is full of such friendly and helpful people.

Honestly, if you want a toxic community look no farther then Everquest and WoW. I mean, holy **** are those communities toxic. Especially in the forums.

3 hours ago, Talonbane Cobra said:

So I need to buy 2 conversion kits and throw away all the cardboard from one. Amazing.

No.

Some or even most of the second kit will still be useful. At the very least, shield/energy trackers, upgrades, damage deck will all be useful, plus assorted tokens and an extra maneuver tool. Extra dials, ship cards, ship bases could also be useful depending on your specific ships. (Side note - almost as if everyone's collection is different and no one specific way of handling a conversion kit would be perfect for everybody.)

But there are more movement dials and ship tokens in existence than there are plastic bases. That is objectively stupid and wasteful.

9 minutes ago, Talonbane Cobra said:

But there are more movement dials and ship tokens in existence than there are plastic bases. That is objectively stupid and wasteful.

I hate to break it to you, but the 2.0 CR-90 (and probably C-Roc too) comes with one base, two ship cards (one for each faction that can field it), and two dials (one for each faction that can field the ship). ****, you get more ship cards and base plates then you do ships or bases in any given expansion pack. So why aren't you complaining about that too? Which means you have most of the componants to field a whole bunch of ships, but not the most critical ones (the model and base) for most of your ship cards/base plates.

Don't be ridiculous, those kit have 1 ship in them. I have 4 ships and one conversion kit says it converts them all, but it doesn't. It just doesn't.

3 minutes ago, Talonbane Cobra said:

Don't be ridiculous, those kit have 1 ship in them. I have 4 ships and one conversion kit says it converts them all, but it doesn't. It just doesn't.

Except it does. You get everything you need to field any of your 4 ships. Maybe not enough bases to field all 4 at the same time , but unless you bought multiples of the same ship you can convert them all.

So you want me to give a round of applause to FFG for being technically correct?

11 minutes ago, Talonbane Cobra said:

Don't be ridiculous, those kit have 1 ship in them. I have 4 ships and one conversion kit says it converts them all, but it doesn't. It just doesn't.

But it does....

The original conversion kits didn’t come with enough medium bases for all the medium size ship dials in the kit to be used at once either.