19 minutes ago, markdedrick said:

No, I was just reading through quickly while in line at Whole Foods. I saw you cut the list from five (I don’t have confirmation yet on you) to three and was curious about your reasonings for cutting Clon (I think I’m on my phone and will need to go back but it was somebody) as I figured that might help my own thinking on the matter.

I tend to be skeptical of those who bring down the hammer quickly on lunches, which would probably point me to Rewen, but then again he and Jessica C are both on the west coast so it would make sense for them to vote late.

Okay but if you're town which you would know remove yourself, that leaves jess / rewen / me / clon

now take for a second that i'm telling you the truth about being the serph knight (which would i lie) that leaves you with clon / jess / rewen... pick two that you would think as scum

Just now, EbonHawk said:

Okay but if you're town which you would know remove yourself, that leaves jess / rewen / me / clon

now take for a second that i'm telling you the truth about being the serph knight (which would i lie) that leaves you with clon / jess / rewen... pick two that you would think as scum

If I had to pick two I would pick Rewen and Clon probably? I’m more certain on the first one than the second.

14 minutes ago, markdedrick said:

In this particular exchange, I think day one by the date, I was simply calling out three players who basically hadn’t posted to date. And up to that point Rewen/Erik hadn’t done anything to me which seemed scummy based on his play in previous games. Given what we know from Stefan in his medium/sensor role, right now I would be looking at Rewen, Clon or Jessica.

I don’t have a firm read on Ebon and his reveal didn’t seem odd to me. I was initially curious why you deployed it on night one but your explanation made sense to me.

fair does, can't argue with that and trust me if I had read it was a one shot I might not have done it N1

Just now, markdedrick said:

If I had to pick two I would pick Rewen and Clon probably? I’m more certain on the first one than the second.

Your posts now seem in line with yout overall game, and apart from some odd lines which we all have I guess you've read town to me, rewen would be my best gamble out of you / jess/ rewen /clon

so ##vote @Rewen007 to get him into the game

if rewen is scum I would have to randomly pick tomorrow over mark/jess/clon unless the night kill yields anymore info for us

45hrs and 15mins remaining

  VOTES:

   @CaryHaneyDC

  @markdedrick:

 @JessicaChase

@Traingirl1:

   @EbonHawk: 

 @clontroper5

 @PodRacer

 @Rewen007: Ebon (L-5)

   @Stefan

     @markferguson:

   @TheCallum:

       6 to lynch. 

Hello all from Cali - near end of work day so catching up. See the accusations and will respond here shortly ... reading through all the action to make sure I understand the sequence of leading / steering that certainly is coming from some players!

So we're actually dealing with facts and not turbo'd analysis, by my count I see:

@CaryHaneyDC with very little contributions still to date: (6 posts...no substance) hardly any save for a lynch vote for @Wenchiman. Odd.

@Traingirl1 with very little contributions still to date: (8 posts...very little helpful).

@markferguson with very little contributions to date: (5?). Very out of keeping with normal play.

Why are we not worried about these players?

Will now go back up ^^^ to respond to accusations as they seem to be flowing...sigh.

2 hours ago, Stefan said:

I'm going to reveal myself as a mysterious medium. Two mafia voted to lynch last night.

@Stefan, thank you for sharing this helpful info. If your role is true, this is extremely powerful ... to be fair, does this exclude the chance that there are more than 2 mafia? By my read there could be more? I feel like there are at least 3 mafia out there...

I encourage you to not reveal whether you are one shot, two, or multiple shot at this time.

2 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Interesting, if this is true:

Mad is dead now, pod is (all but) confirmed fruit vender

That Leaves: @EbonHawk, @JessicaChase, @markdedrick, and @Rewen007. As potential scum, that gives a 50/50 shot

@clontroper5 - thanks for adding your name to this list. Again, why not @traingirl1, @caryhaneydc, or @markferguson also on this list? Just feels odd as if this is a steer / lead or mafia flip.

Agreed the only (possibly) confirmed person we have as town is Fruit Vendor.

2 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

Intriguing

You know he didn't? Pod already said I was getting it, and did!

Also you, and no me! Lol, as you already know my role from yesterday I can remove myself

so 2 mafia in Clon, Jessica, Mark, Rewen

Jess has caught my attention a few times, and mark could be interesting considering out of the new guys hes one of the most vocal could be scum steering

This feels doubly odd - why @EbonHawk are you not listing @Traingirl1, @careyhaneyDC, or @markferguson?

Why are you and @clontroper5 ***apparently*** steering us away from these three?

???

10 minutes ago, Rewen007 said:

This feels doubly odd - why @EbonHawk are you not listing @Traingirl1, @careyhaneyDC, or @markferguson?

Why are you and @clontroper5 ***apparently*** steering us away from these three?

???

Because we are focusing on the 2 mafia in the vote train, non of those 3 we're in the vote train so they are not coming up in out line of thinking

14 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:

Because we are focusing on the 2 mafia in the vote train, non of those 3 we're in the vote train so they are not coming up in out line of thinking

Copy - thanks for redirecting me to the role / power of sensor. Now rereading the Sensor role and this implication is clearer.

Please forgive my misread and questions to the both of you.

Holy moly now I think I know a lot...standby for re-analysis.

Guys - it is most likely @JessicaChase and @markdedrick. Here's why -

While @EbonHawk you could be misdirecting us on this Seriph Knight role, it feels like it would be a rookie maneuver for you to vote as a mafia while knowing a sensor was in play - given your experience.

And @clontroper5, it feels very similar, given your experience and knowing to read through roles to understand game dynamics. Perhaps you and Ebon and Pod are all delivering an elaborate scheme to misdirect as mafia through the fruit work and sharing of fruit, but that feels too extreme.

Here's why @markdedrick and @JessicaChase together.

Look back to their voting yesterday - almost back to back, and then after @JessicaChase's 'seemingly innocent' question about "what's a turbo vote"? This feels very much like Mark and Jessica collusion. Both are less experienced and to my knowledge may not have factored in the power of "sensor" when voting as mafia to cover their tracks.

As for me - I was certainly not "pushing" a vote if you look back and my lynch vote yesterday (D3). From D2 very firm on asking non-contributors to step up or we'd have to consider a policy lynch for being unhelpful to town. Yesterday I voted AFTER - Pod, Ebon, and @Madaghmire's votes (how is this pushing???). After realizing we were rushing, I unvoted to collect my thoughts and hoping others would weigh in. Instead, several others piled on (e.g. mark/jessica)... by end of night I realized I couldn't unpack why there hadn't been mafia kills to date at Night??? And by that time I was exhausted with not getting some better info and the still large number of non-helping players.

Admittedly, that was a mistake, I should have not have let tiredness impact my judgment and default back to lynch vote. But several others also piled on and voted too (I assume out of same desire to get some forward momentum).

Rel - I'm almost certain now we have one or more Vampires. Explains "apparent" lack of night kills and links to some of MOD's overnight sayings. I can't immediately tell from roles, but is there anything like a Vampire hunter/detector?

Hope some of this helps, @EbonHawk, please let me know if I can clarify further.

For now, I'm voting though to see how the mafia "sensed" duo responds - and what other mafia pals come to her defense. Happy to reconsider if her response is non-scummy.

##vote lynch @JessicaChase

1 hour ago, Rewen007 said:

@Stefan, thank you for sharing this helpful info. If your role is true, this is extremely powerful ... to be fair, does this exclude the chance that there are more than 2 mafia? By my read there could be more? I feel like there are at least 3 mafia out there...

I encourage you to not reveal whether you are one shot, two, or multiple shot at this time.

No he's saying that 2 mafia are on the lynch yesterday, not that there is only 2 mafia.

24 minutes ago, Rewen007 said:

Rel - I'm almost certain now we have one or more Vampires. Explains "apparent" lack of night kills and links to some of MOD's overnight sayings. I can't immediately tell from roles, but is there anything like a Vampire hunter/detector?

I would wager mafia has been unlucky with the doc guessing right so far, or they could be doing it on purpose to sow confusion amoungst town.

25 minutes ago, Rewen007 said:

While @EbonHawk you could be misdirecting us on this Seriph Knight role, it feels like it would be a rookie maneuver for you to vote as a mafia while knowing a sensor was in play - given your experience.

And @clontroper5, it feels very similar, given your experience and knowing to read through roles to understand game dynamics. Perhaps you and Ebon and Pod are all delivering an elaborate scheme to misdirect as mafia through the fruit work and sharing of fruit, but that feels too extreme.

Here's why @markdedrick and @JessicaChase together.

Look back to their voting yesterday - almost back to back, and then after @JessicaChase's 'seemingly innocent' question about "what's a turbo vote"? This feels very much like Mark and Jessica collusion. Both are less experienced and to my knowledge may not have factored in the power of "sensor" when voting as mafia to cover their tracks.

I can see mark/jess, but even `after marks reply you still see him as scum? I have to admit not knowing any of you it's a 3 way toss up between you / jess/ mark rn

you and mark both seem townie... BUT

you posts before you saw stefens medium thing is telling.. is it town making sure we focus on all the players?

Or is it the scummate of one of jess/mark/clon coming in and seeing the group under attack trying to direct off to the other players?

I'm 50/50

##unvote because since the start my guts said town on Rewen even when clon/pod pushed him at the start...

him and mark seem the most town out of the 3, so I think for me the best bet is Jess RN hear what see has to say..

Either way we need to look at the survivors tomorrow of mark / rewen / clon / jess as one more scum will still be hiding out

2 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:

I'm 50/50

I'm an advocate for Coin flipping

Just now, clontroper5 said:

I'm an advocate for Coin flipping

might have to, made a lot harder by having no previous games to call upon on how these cats play, like playing my first game again

4 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

Considering Jess hasn't been as active she's either scum who got their vote out and is letting the team do the work or it's Rewen and Mark out of all the new people the 2 trying hte most, which could well be because they're scum and have not...

Not get a lazy town free pass like some! and remember I felt Rewens likes and then push on wenchiman funny yesterday it looks even more so today

So order of suspicion is

Mark

Rewen/Jess

Clon

@PodRacer wus?

I haven't been active because I was at work. Catching up now

3 hours ago, EbonHawk said:

@JessicaChase, @markdedrick, @Rewen007

At least 2 of you are scum, a defense please.

Defense is that I am not scum. Voted yesterday in an attempt to catch scum, but clearly misplaced rooky mistake

3 hours ago, clontroper5 said:

Right now I think Jess is Scum, not sure on the other 2, rewen has seemed Supicious though.

Honestly I just don't know enough about any of them to properly judge. Mark has seemed good to me so far but perhaps he is pulling my leg.

I am not, but alas, I cannot prove it

9 minutes ago, JessicaChase said:

I am not, but alas, I cannot prove it

so who do you think out of clon / rewen / mark

13 minutes ago, JessicaChase said:

Defense is that I am not scum. Voted yesterday in an attempt to catch scum, but clearly misplaced rooky mistake

what was the rookie mistake? it wasn't the lynch as going into D3 with only 1 maybe night kill would be the mistake for us

One thing that stands out re-reading mads game is he was really pushy on Clon for what Mad assumed was Clon lying in regards to the fruit at first (which clon maintains he wasn't)

Mad makes more than 1 post about Clon's game, and combined with the fact Pod called for Clon to be investigated last night makes Clon look a tad more suspicious (albeit he wouldn't have known Mad was the cop that was luck)..

Certainly if Clon knew we were about to lynch a town, Mad would be a good target for the night considering:

1. Mad had already put shade on clon

2. Attention is on the new guys so far for scum anyway

Mad also targets Rewen and to a lesser extent Jess.

But Rewen and Clon were mads top pushes

If scum wanted to hang vocal players first pick surely would be Me, then MarkD (the most vocal of the newbies), followed by Mad/Clon (leaving pod as he's night kill proof)

The fact I wasn't targeted makes me think I wasn't pressuring scum, and that Mad could well have been onto something before he died