Right now I think Jess is Scum, not sure on the other 2, rewen has seemed Supicious though.
Honestly I just don't know enough about any of them to properly judge. Mark has seemed good to me so far but perhaps he is pulling my leg.
Mafia Game VI (Day 7 - game ends)
12 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:I introduced the role, you're welcome
also you've posted a few times today, 2 just before stefens claim, then 1 after asking for a player list..
no comment so far on the accusations?
Sorry had left work and am currently checking out at the grocery store so haven’t had a chance to do more than a cursory read. More to come when I’m able. I’m a bit confused how you narrowed down the list from five to three out of the voters last night.
On 1/8/2019 at 4:01 PM, markdedrick said:He’s been very active in our earlier games. So this is out of character. Of course, the same could be said for @Wenchiman and @CaryHaneyDC I voted Mark initially because of his lack of a day one vote and how that seemed suspicious, but I’m comfortable with Mark, Stefan, Adam or Cary at this point for the reasons you name. Non participation doesn’t help us.
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this is interesting, as the most vocal of the new guys it was marks advice that won us (me/clon/pod) over on the vote.
In it, he states the unactive of Wench(Adam), and Cary.
He then goes on to list that he would be happy with a vote on any of Mark, Stefan, Wench(adam, or Cary... as we now know from Stefen 2 mafia where on the lynch he has listed every 'town player' of the new guys and left off Rewen, and Jess.
So it's possible that scum could be the 3 of them...
@CaryHaneyDC ? unsure
@markdedrick: ? on last train
@JessicaChase ? on last train
@Traingirl1 ? unsure, but seems town
@EbonHawk: Serph Knight
@clontroper5 ? on last train, i think town
@PodRacer Fruit Vendor
@Rewen007: ? On last train
@Stefan Medium (sensor)
@markferguson: ? unsure
@TheCallum ? Yet to confirm fruit
1 minute ago, markdedrick said:Sorry had left work and am currently checking out at the grocery store so haven’t had a chance to do more than a cursory read. More to come when I’m able. I’m a bit confused how you narrowed down the list from five to three out of the voters last night.
well I know I'm town, and I think clon is town IMO... so that narrows it down quite quick
and pod is confirmed town at this point
3 minutes ago, markdedrick said:More to come when I’m able. I’m a bit confused how you narrowed down the list from five to three out of the voters last night.
This pings for me. he seems more worried about it being narrowed down, than trying to narrow it down further? feels rumbled
Just now, EbonHawk said:This pings for me. he seems more worried about it being narrowed down, than trying to narrow it down further? feels rumbled
let me investigate them... one minute...
incoming INFORMATION OVERLOAD
On 1/4/2019 at 7:58 AM, markdedrick said:##role confirm
On 1/4/2019 at 8:00 AM, markdedrick said:Will we get real names, at least for those we’ve been playing with previously?
On 1/4/2019 at 9:34 AM, markdedrick said:Gracias.
On 1/4/2019 at 10:03 AM, markdedrick said:Agreed. Also finding it challenging to follow along while working/on my phone rather than sitting at my laptop. I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually.
Also, I think Marcus added these additional players just because he was being so strongly outvoted on TFA and TLJ earlier.
On 1/4/2019 at 11:02 AM, markdedrick said:I was guessing somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 total non-town threats? But could be more, particularly with, in theory, more town having powers.
On 1/4/2019 at 11:02 AM, markdedrick said:Not sure about this, seems risky.
On 1/4/2019 at 11:04 AM, markdedrick said:I'll make a note on time zone issues as well. By my accounting we have two folks on EST, and two on PST, which is 8 hours behind folks in the UK. Very good chance that once @Rewen007and @jessicachase go to bed the first day is essentially over for them.
On 1/4/2019 at 2:49 PM, markdedrick said:Are we going to have any discussions about what direction we want to go in on this first day? My guesses are that Mark F is very DTL, others may be more skeptical and will hope to learn more in the night particularly with the likelihood of many power roles, and somebody will suggest lynching me for good reason since I have been scum in seemingly every single game to date.
I'm DTL, FWIW. Although without Tom in the game I'm not sure what direction we should go in first.
On 1/4/2019 at 3:04 PM, markdedrick said:Yeah, I agree, assuming we have a reason to do it. I do not like the purely random lynch (and I wish John Emerson was in this game to get his reaction). But voting patterns are one of the best sources of information we can have.
On 1/4/2019 at 4:29 PM, markdedrick said:Well, there’s been far less discussion than in previous games. To perhaps help spark some:
##vote @Wenchiman
Hasn’t posted anything since confirming his role, and if he is scum I know he’ll be highly effective.
On 1/4/2019 at 6:43 PM, markdedrick said:I don’t think this is the issue you think it is.
On 1/4/2019 at 6:44 PM, markdedrick said:Where are you on the west coast? Your profile says Spokane?
On 1/4/2019 at 6:45 PM, markdedrick said:Tonight I’m watching Ducks and Blazers but tomorrow is devoted to Sunderland.
On 1/4/2019 at 6:47 PM, markdedrick said:I used to be team ##no lynch, but I’ve come around to the idea that the reaction players have, and the actual voting information, are the best data we get.
Counterpoint, Marcus want us to lynch so let’s not do that.
On 1/4/2019 at 6:48 PM, markdedrick said:Never mind, Erik, had your profile confused with somebody else playing.
On 1/4/2019 at 7:12 PM, markdedrick said:I am! I know where Erik lives (Oakland) but I’m confusing profiles.
On 1/4/2019 at 8:05 PM, markdedrick said:Americans, any other thought? I feel like nobody is really searching for an answer.
On 1/4/2019 at 9:03 PM, markdedrick said:Historically nothing does. You have to commit to doing nothing g, or to lynching a super quiet person. At this point that likely means Adam or one of the other Americans.
On 1/4/2019 at 9:13 PM, markdedrick said:Super reasonable. And it’s hard because on day one nobody is giving anything away.
On 1/4/2019 at 9:53 PM, markdedrick said:I’m tempted at this point to turn my vote from my Euro friends to my American counterparts. Bit this format is yielding a very unfulfilling series of options. I’ll stick. Please don’t kill me in the night.
On 1/6/2019 at 9:30 AM, markdedrick said:Agree 100% on the killing. Not sure on Adam (even though I voted for him last time). Hoping folks are more engaged this time around.
On 1/6/2019 at 10:28 AM, markdedrick said:Correct same person. Hopefully he’ll join us soon.
On 1/6/2019 at 10:32 AM, markdedrick said:From my reading of the role he was probably waiting for more evidence before attacking.
Based on last night’s actions I’d also suggest that we don’t have a serial killer, although an arsonist or a poisoner are still quite possible.
On 1/6/2019 at 12:05 PM, markdedrick said:Yeah this is in line with my thinking. He’s suspicious, but given his history I’m willing to wait a bit before jumping on the lynch train.
On 1/6/2019 at 12:07 PM, markdedrick said:@Traingirl1 and @Madaghmire also seem rather quiet, even more so than Cary. Jessica much more so than in earlier games, so it would be good to hear from her. I don’t know the other player so can’t comment there other than to note lack of activity.
On 1/6/2019 at 12:26 PM, markdedrick said:I did not know this.
On 1/6/2019 at 12:43 PM, markdedrick said:How much time is left?
On 1/6/2019 at 1:14 PM, markdedrick said:So not exactly time to panic then?
On 1/6/2019 at 7:47 PM, markdedrick said:Well, this has been underwhelming today. I’m very keen on lynching the least active players, but we have like ten people who fit that bill. I’m hoping I wake up in the morning to find @markferguson and others engaging.
On 1/7/2019 at 8:59 AM, markdedrick said:From my experience nothing about Erik's (@rewen007) play suggests scum to me, but I can see how it might read as odd to others. Taking a bit of time right now to look at the first day's vote, and some past posts. There's some real inactivity from some typically active players, including Adam, Cary and Mark F. There's also been very little out of Mad, who I don't know. On the voting, the one thing that really jumps out at me is @markferguson not voting on day one. He's usually the biggest lynching advocate, and honestly the only time I can remember him not voting to lynch on night one was when he was in fact scum. This is thin evidence, but at least to get the conversation going:
##vote @markferguson
On 1/7/2019 at 9:06 AM, markdedrick said:Can I ask what a "red flip" is?
On 1/7/2019 at 9:08 AM, markdedrick said:Got it, thanks.
On 1/7/2019 at 9:09 AM, markdedrick said:Great, thanks. Trying to pick up the newer terminology.
On 1/7/2019 at 11:39 AM, markdedrick said:Sorry, was in a lunch meeting and just came back to my desk to a ton of messages. Took me a minute to get through everything. Paul's death didn't bring a single person to mind for me. He's a very good and active player, and is good at figuring things out in general, so I'd guess that's why he was killed? He didn't do anything, in my read of day one, that particularly suggested a power role. So I'd say that at least one of the scum comes from the WhatsApp group, which I know is an extremely unhelpful conclusion given that we're looking at 3-4 mafia likely this game.
On 1/7/2019 at 11:41 AM, markdedrick said:Also, I'll restate my case against @markferguson and I'm sticking with him for now. He's by far the most DTL player from the WhatsApp game, and he didn't vote for anyone on day one. And he's usually quite active, but has been very quiet on day 2. This could be his stated troubles with this platform, but I would like to at least hear from him.
On 1/7/2019 at 11:45 AM, markdedrick said:There are several WhatsApp players who have been much quieter than usual in addition to Mark F. Cary tends to post in bursts and not during the work day, so right now this is not unusual, but bears watching. Adam has been particularly quiet, as has Jessica MC (train) and Stefan. This is Jessica C's first real game, so I don't have a read on her.
On 1/7/2019 at 11:46 AM, markdedrick said:That was my guess as well. Would you also think one third party?
On 1/7/2019 at 11:46 AM, markdedrick said:I had forgotten about him entirely, which I suppose does show how active he has been.
On 1/7/2019 at 11:48 AM, markdedrick said:Also, FWIW, Jessica C and Erik/Rewen are on the west coast, and Cary and me are both on the east coast, so the time zone issue is real with so many Euro-based players.
On 1/7/2019 at 11:50 AM, markdedrick said:Wenchiman is Adam. Sorry, I'm having some trouble adjusting to not using some people's real names.
On 1/7/2019 at 12:29 PM, markdedrick said:Can you check this just by clicking the profile?
On 1/7/2019 at 12:31 PM, markdedrick said:And I've answered my own question. Shows @CaryHaneyDC hasn't checked in 7 hours, which is consistent with his often not being online during work.
On 1/7/2019 at 12:32 PM, markdedrick said:Now that I've learned this feature, we have several players who haven't even been on the site in more than 24 hours. Not sure if that should factor in or not? They're certainly not being helpful in these cases.
On 1/7/2019 at 12:41 PM, markdedrick said:Thanks, that makes sense. Things come up that can keep you offline for some time here and there.
On 1/7/2019 at 1:48 PM, markdedrick said:I believe we have approximately 18 more hours to go.
On 1/7/2019 at 3:19 PM, markdedrick said:I'm not sure what to make of him this game TBH.
On 1/8/2019 at 5:56 AM, markdedrick said:OK, joining this morning and glad there was at least some activity overnight. I very much think we do need to lynch, although for now I’m going to stick with my vote for @markferguson I’m noting now that he has been on the site, he just hasn’t been participating at all in day 2. The same is true of @Wenchiman
I sort of get the Callum vote but I’m definitely not convinced. But we have some time to bring this thing home either way.
On 1/8/2019 at 5:57 AM, markdedrick said:Actually, edit to the above, @Wenchiman hasn’t been on the site since Sunday evening. I’m not sure what to read into that. It’s certainly not helpful.
On 1/8/2019 at 6:30 AM, markdedrick said:Yeah. Initially I was very suspicious because he didn’t vote to lynch day one, and he’s extremely pro lynch.
It’s at worst scummariney, or at best extremely unhelpful.
On 1/8/2019 at 7:11 AM, markdedrick said:She does have a history while playing as scum of playing extremely innocent and dropping in and out of the chat. This is complicated by the fact that she’ll also do this sometimes as town, so it’s perhaps a Tell but it isn’t 100%.
On the voting thing, it isn’t something I remember particularly. It’s either a lie (possible but not sure how likely) or she is overstating things based on a couple of votes against her by Callum over multiple games. And she was scum at least a couple of times over those games so his votes totally might have been justified! That said, I haven’t taken the time to do the research and confirm this either way, this is my potentially faulty memory.
and the last few pages of stuff
On 1/8/2019 at 7:13 AM, markdedrick said:He made a handful of comments early in the game, complained about the platform, and since then has basically been awol.
On 1/8/2019 at 7:20 AM, markdedrick said:I’ve been hesitant to do so due to instructions from @Lord Preyer that we’re not to converse about the game with fellow participants outside of this forum.
But agreed, would be good to get the small handful of typically very active players reengaged.
On 1/8/2019 at 7:47 AM, markdedrick said:I’m heading into meetings pretty soon which may take me all the way to sunset here. The idea of not lynching on either of the first two days seems ridiculous to me. I’m open to lynching Callum although I don’t fully see it. But I think we have to target somebody.
On 1/8/2019 at 8:01 AM, markdedrick said:He’s been very active in our earlier games. So this is out of character. Of course, the same could be said for @Wenchiman and @CaryHaneyDC I voted Mark initially because of his lack of a day one vote and how that seemed suspicious, but I’m comfortable with Mark, Stefan, Adam or Cary at this point for the reasons you name. Non participation doesn’t help us.
On 1/8/2019 at 8:20 AM, markdedrick said:I voted for him on day one, I’m comfortable with that. More so than with @TheCallum at this point
##unvote
##vote @Wenchiman
On 1/8/2019 at 8:55 AM, markdedrick said:Great! (not about the loss, about your being on here). Will be great to hear your thoughts. Only immediate concern is that we are very up against the end of the day, and are threatening to not lynch somebody for the second consecutive day which would be very dumb.
On 1/8/2019 at 8:57 AM, markdedrick said:If Cary is active I think the players who are engaged are him, Clon, Ebon, Pod, Mad, Rewen, me, and then @TheCallum, @JessicaChase, @Traingirl1. Stefan, Mark F and Adam (Wenchiman) seem very checked out. So we've got ten active players and need seven votes, is that right?
Agree with others, having a vote count from @Lord Preyer would be helpful so we know where to focus our energies.
On 1/8/2019 at 9:23 AM, markdedrick said:I did earlier, although I'm struggling with the very handy multi-quotes you folks are using. I'll post the other soon, but would appreciate a primer!
On 1/8/2019 at 9:24 AM, markdedrick said:Here's my vote switch, which I think should work?
On 1/8/2019 at 9:26 AM, markdedrick said:I think there are some mistakes here? Like two votes from @PodRacer, and @ebonhawk voted for @wenchiman. So we should be L-2.
On 1/8/2019 at 9:27 AM, markdedrick said:That said, I don't think we're going to get there as it sounds like @Traingirl1 is working, @jessicachase likely is as well, and who knows about the rest.
On 1/8/2019 at 9:29 AM, markdedrick said:Thank you. I believe we're at L-2 right now by my calculation. Also, I'm having a lot of problems tagging players right now, is there a trick to that?
On 1/8/2019 at 9:32 AM, markdedrick said:My mistake, sorry, there was a lot that happened between my voting and then being able to come back online.
On 1/8/2019 at 3:39 PM, markdedrick said:WTF happened?
On 1/8/2019 at 3:45 PM, markdedrick said:Good catch, I didn't notice the shortened day. It does put us a bit more under the gun.
23 hours ago, markdedrick said:Quick question, although I’ve voted this way twice before and am willing to again, are we worried about a turbo lynch?
22 hours ago, markdedrick said:OK, I’m finally at home so looking at things more thoroughly. I’m not sure what if anything we learned in the night. It happened quickly and there were 24 hours so things wouldn’t have timed out.
I’m happy to vote for Adam/Wenchiman again, although I’m curious if anyone learned anything worth sharing in the night?
20 hours ago, markdedrick said:My understanding is a lynch that happens very fast with votes piling on top on each other. Can sometimes be led by mafia. But I get it in this case, we’re in exactly the same place we were last night so we may as well lynch the guy we were going to lynch last night.
20 hours ago, markdedrick said:I’m also going to be going to bed soon so I’m going to log a vote for now.
##vote @Wenchiman
1 hour ago, markdedrick said:This is not great.
1 hour ago, markdedrick said:I'm not 100% seeing where this is going, but ok. As somebody who has been enamored of the fruit vendor since first learning about this game, and having never played with one before I'm excited to see @PodRacer take center stage here however.
1 hour ago, markdedrick said:@Lord Preyer Can we get a list of who is still alive?
11 minutes ago, markdedrick said:Sorry had left work and am currently checking out at the grocery store so haven’t had a chance to do more than a cursory read. More to come when I’m able. I’m a bit confused how you narrowed down the list from five to three out of the voters last night.
On 1/4/2019 at 10:49 PM, markdedrick said:since I have been scum in seemingly every single game to date
To date. not up to this game. to date.
a slip maybe?
Just now, EbonHawk said:To date. not up to this game. to date.
a slip maybe?
possibly, on the the other hand he seems to be by far the most active Whats app player and has given us alot of information (definitely a good cover for scum though)
let me check jessica
On 1/7/2019 at 4:59 PM, markdedrick said:From my experience nothing about Erik's (@rewen007) play suggests scum to me, but I can see how it might read as odd to others. Taking a bit of time right now to look at the first day's vote, and some past posts. There's some real inactivity from some typically active players, including Adam, Cary and Mark F. There's also been very little out of Mad, who I don't know. On the voting, the one thing that really jumps out at me is @markferguson not voting on day one. He's usually the biggest lynching advocate, and honestly the only time I can remember him not voting to lynch on night one was when he was in fact scum. This is thin evidence, but at least to get the conversation going:
##vote @markferguson
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again he defends rewen, and lists every non suspect player right now as a target
1 minute ago, clontroper5 said:possibly, on the the other hand he seems to be by far the most active Whats app player and has given us alot of information (definitely a good cover for scum though)
I agree, it's the only thing keeping me from voting is up to now I've sensed town... half his posts seem town, but then every now and now reading through a couple just ping out
It could be rewen, jess and callum maybe?
I'm going for a shower quick, hopefully marks back by the with his defense and thoughts... like to hear him on this situation and pod/callum as well
heres the stuff from @JessicaChase
On 1/4/2019 at 8:22 AM, JessicaChase said:##role confirm
On 1/4/2019 at 6:16 PM, JessicaChase said:Agreed, now that I am off work I am catching up and will need to make a decision tonight though I notice you are all rather eager to lynch without cause
On 1/4/2019 at 8:56 PM, JessicaChase said:I am waiting for someone to do something fishy, but nothing seems to be happening this day
On 1/4/2019 at 9:06 PM, JessicaChase said:Guess I will stay team no lynch for day 1 then, seems less exciting though. I may need to change my plan in the future.
On 1/6/2019 at 12:21 PM, JessicaChase said:I am finding this format much harder to track (I get notices on WA so that is easier for me to follow)
On 1/6/2019 at 12:23 PM, JessicaChase said:Thanks, I will give that a try
On 1/7/2019 at 3:34 PM, JessicaChase said:I just skimmed replies (still at work). I am town but will need to be offline until I leave the office (firewall blocks the forum, so I am on my cell which bosses dont like). Hoping for direction from more experienced players since we need to kill before someone is killed at night
On 1/7/2019 at 8:44 PM, JessicaChase said:This is a super helpful summary, thanks!
On 1/7/2019 at 9:25 PM, JessicaChase said:Can't fault this logic:
##vote @TheCallum
20 hours ago, JessicaChase said:What is a turbo lynch?
20 hours ago, JessicaChase said:And just back from work... looks like we were lucky last night, but I dont want to risk another night without more info
19 hours ago, JessicaChase said:Got ya. But unless there is a comment by @Wenchiman I think we just have to go for an action.
19 hours ago, JessicaChase said:I will check again tomorrow in case more is revealed. But, without more info:
##vote @Wenchiman
17 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:This pings for me. he seems more worried about it being narrowed down, than trying to narrow it down further? feels rumbled
No, I was just reading through quickly while in line at Whole Foods. I saw you cut the list from five (I don’t have confirmation yet on you) to three and was curious about your reasonings for cutting Clon (I think I’m on my phone and will need to go back but it was somebody) as I figured that might help my own thinking on the matter.
I tend to be skeptical of those who bring down the hammer quickly on lunches, which would probably point me to Rewen, but then again he and Jessica C are both on the west coast so it would make sense for them to vote late.
ok so She has been fairly Quiet, but a couple posts stuck out to me
On 1/7/2019 at 3:34 PM, JessicaChase said:I just skimmed replies (still at work). I am town but will need to be offline until I leave the office (firewall blocks the forum, so I am on my cell which bosses dont like). Hoping for direction from more experienced players since we need to kill before someone is killed at night
unnecessary town claim i think, again perhaps just a new player mistake. this "Waiting for more experienced players" seems like a possible cover up to me (although maybe she is actually a new player, can anyone confirm?)
On 1/7/2019 at 9:25 PM, JessicaChase said:Can't fault this logic:
##vote @TheCallum
this vote kinda came out of nowhere imo (although he did seem very suspicious at the time, I think i was voting for @TheCallum as well at the time)
On 1/4/2019 at 9:06 PM, JessicaChase said:Guess I will stay team no lynch for day 1 then, seems less exciting though. I may need to change my plan in the future.
this is concerning, perhaps a rookie mistake, perhaps a scum tell
4 minutes ago, markdedrick said:I tend to be skeptical of those who bring down the hammer quickly on lunches, which would probably point me to Rewen, but then again he and Jessica C are both on the west coast so it would make sense for them to vote late.
i see this as no Excuse!
11 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:again he defends rewen, and lists every non suspect player right now as a target
In this particular exchange, I think day one by the date, I was simply calling out three players who basically hadn’t posted to date. And up to that point Rewen/Erik hadn’t done anything to me which seemed scummy based on his play in previous games. Given what we know from Stefan in his medium/sensor role, right now I would be looking at Rewen, Clon or Jessica.
I don’t have a firm read on Ebon and his reveal didn’t seem odd to me. I was initially curious why you deployed it on night one but your explanation made sense to me.
and for @Rewen007
On 1/4/2019 at 10:01 AM, Rewen007 said:So far, this new format is really confusing...#WAluddite
On 1/4/2019 at 10:34 AM, Rewen007 said:Agreed...general role madness suggestions or insights from experienced players would be helpful!
On 1/4/2019 at 10:38 AM, Rewen007 said:Any obvious role options hinted at here?
Say Republic SpecOps = FBI Agent?
Or Sith = Mafia Godfather or Mafia Role Cop?
On 1/4/2019 at 5:05 PM, Rewen007 said:Yes! Not planning to be up at 0700 PST on Saturday...so will make any final contributions tonight before bed time.
On 1/4/2019 at 5:12 PM, Rewen007 said:This is the first analysis I've been able to find, and as such, in keeping with quiet reps don't contribute to the good side of the Force, or they are awaiting a scummy time to strike like a little prick Sith...
##vote @Wenchiman
On 1/5/2019 at 12:47 PM, Rewen007 said:Spokane would be an odd location! LOL. I'm here in Oakland. Currently beginning to rain. Good weather for Civil War watching!
On 1/6/2019 at 10:12 AM, Rewen007 said:I second this proposal. Always good to see how someone responds to a role claim challenge when they have been quiet..............
On 1/6/2019 at 10:15 AM, Rewen007 said:Having not played with a Desperado before - perhaps more experienced players can chime in here.
My read of the role is that @Paulcrawford didn't try to perform his day kill, but rather, was targeted by scum or non-town in a N1 attack?
Otherwise, we would have seen the results during D1 action if he had taken his desperate measure?
On 1/6/2019 at 11:44 AM, Rewen007 said:I will also undo this vote, if he becomes more active, and if his response of role/function aren't scummy / unhelpful to the Rebel cause!
##vote lynch @Wenchiman
On 1/6/2019 at 11:45 AM, Rewen007 said:Yes, he's been very quiet, despite having chimed in yesterday. To be fair, Cary's method is read a lot, analyze, and respond. But presumably he'd have that time by now??? 🤷♂️
On 1/6/2019 at 11:47 AM, Rewen007 said:Mark - agreed on all fronts. Hard to pull the trigger as Desperado on day 1...unless there was a move to lynch him, evidence of mafia targeting. Raises the question: who would have motivation to take him out N1?
On 1/6/2019 at 1:14 PM, Rewen007 said:@madaghmire has a very positive reputation and a lot of experience. Seems odd to not be hearing more from them.
On 1/6/2019 at 11:02 PM, Rewen007 said:@podracer - here's how: I simply looked at the profile: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/profile/248465-madaghmire/
not in any scum chats, just clicking around on profiles and trying to help town figure out who the true scum are...when their profile doesn't match their play, I get worried. The quietness doesn't fit with the profile experience/reputation.
Recommend you redirect your vote so we can have a productive lynch tonight before another day passes. I'm open to suggestions, but seems we should be focusing on folks that aren't contributing or making much noise. That's the real suspicious behavior.
On 1/7/2019 at 9:02 AM, Rewen007 said:Good morning EbonHawk...up front - I'm new to this format, and some of the Mafia terminology on it. Thanks for giving me time to respond.
1) I'd invite you to look back at the thread with @podracer. I was responding to his accusation that I was in a scum chat. He did not ask... So I felt I had to respond to that accusation?
2.) I noted your rep in your profile, and also your early contributions to this game. You had made a handful of posts before your period of silence in D2 that were helping town, so I didn't put you on my "worry list" of those that had been oddly silent to date, or not voting D1.
3.) I'm not sure I understand this line as a relatively new mafia player. What is "green rep"? And why would anyone want to kill Mad / Clon / You?
4.) I would agree that experience/reputation wouldn't necessarily lead to loudness. From the few games I've played on the WhatsApp version though the opposite is usually a yellow flag. Experience/reputation that is quiet feels spooky to me. But I also try to distinguish between loudness and "helpful play" that contributes.
Hope these are helpful as we learn to play with new people...
On 1/7/2019 at 9:08 AM, Rewen007 said:@PodRacer, I've noted your accusations. It seems odd that you wouldn't offer up to @EbonHawk that you had asked/accused me of being in a scum chat. An honest townie would have clarified that misreading, am I correct? Or perhaps you missed that?
Secondly, I can't recall if I did mention previously that i had looked up others, but on D1 I noted that as a "new feature" of this online version (no such luck on WhatsApp). After other players had mentioned looking up profiles, I did the same. That's what led me to the additional appreciation for players experience or volume of contributions as I was reacting to people's nominations for people being quiet.
On 1/7/2019 at 9:13 AM, Rewen007 said:Cool - thanks for the feedback and clarifying what green rep is. I see what your saying now.
Good to know on Mads. I'll likely unvote as a result - D2 information is piling up, so there is more data now to analyze.
I'll be updating my list of worries today in a couple hours (have to turn to work now on California morning) and will tag you so you can see the thinking!
On 1/7/2019 at 12:19 PM, Rewen007 said:@EbonHawk - you asked for my thoughts...
(Caveat up front - heading to a doctors appointment after this so will be off for several hours)
I've now tried to read through all profiles and assess level of effort / participation / oddity of play or not.
By my count, the top quiet players are:
@CaryHaneyDC, @Wenchiman, @Traingirl1, @Madaghmire, @markferguson -- all in the 3-4 posts range and most of that was role confirm.
...seems odd for cary, wenchiman(adam), and markf based on Whatsapp Mafia play. Very odd. And 2 days of activity (given length of d2 is enough time to opt in...)
Following this is a second group of folks:
@JessicaChase, @thecallum, @stefan... (not sure why the names aren't linking) - all in the 7-8 posts range.
- my substantive worries stem from their responses, which I'll quote and then ask for information on...as in, there are specific steps some of these people have taken that smell "odd"
Everyone else has been active, or responsive, or made moves to help town on some level. Still reason for keeping an eye, and there were a few questions I had that I'll raise 3rd.
But for now, I'm most worried about the first tier...having been taught by @lordpreyer that quiet people are either unhelpful to town, or scummy (scumarining?)...
Apologies if I miscounted to the above, as my profile scanning took a bit and I may have missed one or two.
Feedback welcome!
On 1/7/2019 at 12:21 PM, Rewen007 said:Question for @TheCallum, what led you to switch to this lynch vote from leaning towards @CaryHaneyDC 13 hours before this? Can you help us understand the logic here? Thanks.
On 1/7/2019 at 12:24 PM, Rewen007 said:@Stefan, you've been active today (checking regularly), but not commenting. Any thoughts? Hypotheses?
Asking given I think you have family commitments, but from your earlier posts, you seemed to not want to play if the thread stayed quiet. Seems like that's changed now...
Thanks.
On 1/7/2019 at 3:50 PM, Rewen007 said:Yes! @JessicaChase, please take your time when not in the office to add your analysis. Would be very helpful before going to bed here California time. Thank you.
On 1/8/2019 at 8:32 AM, Rewen007 said:Good morning from California. Good to see productive discussion and deliberation back and forth.
As stated earlier in D2, I remain concerned about quiet, non-participating, and/or unhelpful players. I support a lynch along those lines. Looks like we are coming around to that consensus. That said, I remain open to discussion of pros/cons of the respective non-participants or quiet folks.
Saw a few other posts from overnight or late last evening that I had some additional observations on...
On 1/8/2019 at 8:34 AM, Rewen007 said:Liked the coming around of consensus ... while talking with my mother in law about her departure by train today, so sorry for the short delay between my last post and the likes!
On 1/8/2019 at 8:36 AM, Rewen007 said:@clontroper5 ... please see my previous posts if these are ???s for me? Hope that clarifies.
On 1/8/2019 at 8:38 AM, Rewen007 said:Threading back through overnight comments - I agree with @markdedrick here above in his quote. Based on @markferguson and his style of play which is to support lynches traditionally. The later Mark F is also on my worry list for this reason.
On 1/8/2019 at 8:43 AM, Rewen007 said:Thanks for raising this as well. I had flagged @Stefan's low rate of participation as a worry early on D2. What seemed particularly odd is that he seemed to be calling the group out on not playing or participating and that this explained his not participating.
But from previous play I recall he has been juggling children, work, and Mafia, so I contextualized it through this. Certainly worth others taking a look at his game play this match and commenting.
On 1/8/2019 at 8:50 AM, Rewen007 said:@Lord Preyer, welcome back from a hard day's work - is it possible to see an updated vote count when you have a moment? Thx!
On 1/8/2019 at 9:33 AM, Rewen007 said:@CaryHaneyDC, your views here before the deadline would be very important! Unless I'm confused, I think you did not vote D1?
On 1/8/2019 at 4:06 PM, Rewen007 said:WTF indeed...ok, I too will go back to my original vote from D2: ##vote @Wenchiman
23 hours ago, Rewen007 said:Sorry, I just had a realization in the shower that I want to ponder further before committing to this COA now that it is D3.
##unvote lynch @Wenchiman
Need to do a bit more thinking - but am on the way to an evening meeting and not on this platform. Hope to chime in in about 3 hours.
17 hours ago, Rewen007 said:Heading to bed here as well. I've pondered my reconsideration several times, and I keep coming back to not much that helps move the ball forward independent of a lynch vote. My analysis and logic questions feel like a dog chasing its tail running round and round as to what happened last night and why @Wenchiman hasn't responded. And in the end, I'm annoyed w/ @Wenchiman's play as being very unhelpful to town - the scummy and/or unhelpful meter is too red.
Will be happy to expound on what I contemplated in that circular logic chase in the next day, but for now, I'll go back to my earlier position:
##vote lynch @Wenchiman
And if my count is right, and votes are legal, I believe that is hammer. But defer to our @Lord Preyer to rule, or the overnight MOD!
Goodnight from Cali.
6 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:ok so She has been fairly Quiet, but a couple posts stuck out to me
unnecessary town claim i think, again perhaps just a new player mistake. this "Waiting for more experienced players" seems like a possible cover up to me (although maybe she is actually a new player, can anyone confirm?)
She is a new player, her only game with us was an odd quick bloodbath designed by Marcus that bears almost no resemblance to this one.
hmmm of those 3, im definitely leaning towards @JessicaChase, and @Rewen007. as targets. @markdedrick is just so helpful haha
back reading up
On 1/8/2019 at 4:06 PM, Rewen007 said:WTF indeed...ok, I too will go back to my original vote from D2: ##vote @Wenchiman
this is is the post that bothered me the most. this was right after the no-kill night, and it just looks like he "Knows why there wasn't a night kill but doesn't want to let on. now i am probably reading way to much into this but that was my gut feeling.