I just skimmed replies (still at work). I am town but will need to be offline until I leave the office (firewall blocks the forum, so I am on my cell which bosses dont like). Hoping for direction from more experienced players since we need to kill before someone is killed at night
Mafia Game VI (Day 7 - game ends)
Just now, JessicaChase said:I just skimmed replies (still at work). I am town but will need to be offline until I leave the office (firewall blocks the forum, so I am on my cell which bosses dont like). Hoping for direction from more experienced players since we need to kill before someone is killed at night
Right now the biggest thing is we just need to get a Lynch so we can start investigating poeple based on voting records.
You still have like 16 hours so if you need to be offline for a while that's ok but make sure to vote before the time is up.
I'm leaning towards joining the @TheCallum train but I want to give more time for conversation so I'm going to wait another few hours before I vote
16hrs 12mins remaining.
VOTES:
@CaryHaneyDC
@markdedrick:
@Wenchiman: Rewen007 (L-6)
@EbonHawk:
@Rewen007: Pod (L-6)
@markferguson: Mark D.
@TheCallum: TrainGirl, EbonHawk (L-5)
7 to Lynch.
13 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:Right now the biggest thing is we just need to get a Lynch so we can start investigating poeple based on voting records.
You still have like 16 hours so if you need to be offline for a while that's ok but make sure to vote before the time is up.
Yes! @JessicaChase, please take your time when not in the office to add your analysis. Would be very helpful before going to bed here California time. Thank you.
Ok, that was a long read, though not as long as it perhaps should have been, and as to both I did it to myself. I did a first pass and flagged everything that caught my eye. I dont know the new cats yet, so if I misinterpret something, its not personal.
On 1/4/2019 at 1:38 PM, Rewen007 said:Any obvious role options hinted at here?
Say Republic SpecOps = FBI Agent?
Or Sith = Mafia Godfather or Mafia Role Cop?
First red flag, why are you concerned with town roles at all? Town roles will be revealed as we go, by the players who have them, as their role provides relevant information. That you also mention scum roles could either be legitmate guesswork as to both or merely attempting to project that image.
On 1/4/2019 at 8:12 PM, Rewen007 said:This is the first analysis I've been able to find, and as such, in keeping with quiet reps don't contribute to the good side of the Force, or they are awaiting a scummy time to strike like a little prick Sith...
##vote @Wenchiman
And thats a lazy follow. The “analysis” in question was simply a prod. Two early red flags Rewen.
On 1/4/2019 at 9:16 PM, JessicaChase said:Agreed, now that I am off work I am catching up and will need to make a decision tonight though I notice you are all rather eager to lynch without cause
Merely casting a vote isnt really looking to lynch aithout cause. Especially early, voting is the most useful tool in the town toolbox to pressure and hopefully force a scumslip.
On 1/4/2019 at 11:56 PM, JessicaChase said:I am waiting for someone to do something fishy, but nothing seems to be happening this day
It was quiet, but there were some things.
On 1/5/2019 at 12:06 AM, JessicaChase said:Guess I will stay team no lynch for day 1 then, seems less exciting though. I may need to change my plan in the future.
Like this, here. This is a common fallacy among newer players. I also believed it, once upon a time. After all, better not to kill a fellow townie right? But then we sacrifice valuable information.
On 1/5/2019 at 12:13 AM, markdedrick said:Super reasonable. And it’s hard because on day one nobody is giving anything away.
On 1/5/2019 at 4:37 AM, TheCallum said:Agreed.
##vote @Wenchiman
On 1/5/2019 at 5:44 AM, Paulcrawford said:##vote @Wenchiman. Speak up Adam, or get lynched.
Based on the timing (very close to end d1, trying to push a lynch) I’ll give these passes. But wow, really insightful stuff with these.
On 1/5/2019 at 7:14 AM, Lord Preyer said:2hrs 47mins remaining.
VOTES:
@Wenchiman: Mark D., Rewen007, Callum, Paul (L-4)
@Stefan: Ebon, Clon (L-6)
@TheCallum: Pod (L-7)
8 to Lynch
On 1/5/2019 at 8:59 AM, PodRacer said:##unvote
##vote wenchiman
Same as above.
On 1/6/2019 at 10:56 AM, markferguson said:Ok so we actually need to do something this time or we’re all going to end up dead.
let me start - Adam has been even quieter than the rest of us and while he has given a valid reason, we need a target and it’s the best lead we have
Good, shades of town. Call to action, making a push, providing reasoning.
On 1/6/2019 at 3:07 PM, markdedrick said:@Traingirl1 and @Madaghmire also seem rather quiet, even more so than Cary. Jessica much more so than in earlier games, so it would be good to hear from her. I don’t know the other player so can’t comment there other than to note lack of activity.
Yep.
17 hours ago, PodRacer said:Well heres the thing I was gonna discuss with Mad, How does Rewen make such a call about @Madaghmire 's meta?
Rewen is clearly in the scumchat with somebody In Clon/Ebon. who have fed this meta information amirite?
The only other way is if it came from someone like Callum maybe?
##unvote
##vote Rewan
Tell us how you are so informed on the natives...
I read this and assumed LP gave them a lowdown on some of us regulars. The scumchat theory was interesting.
15 hours ago, Rewen007 said:@podracer - here's how: I simply looked at the profile: https://community.fantasyflightgames.com/profile/248465-madaghmire/
not in any scum chats, just clicking around on profiles and trying to help town figure out who the true scum are...when their profile doesn't match their play, I get worried. The quietness doesn't fit with the profile experience/reputation.
Recommend you redirect your vote so we can have a productive lynch tonight before another day passes. I'm open to suggestions, but seems we should be focusing on folks that aren't contributing or making much noise. That's the real suspicious behavior.
The Green rep gets discussed a bit, it just means I played a lot of Armada and was a vocal member of the community.
6 hours ago, EbonHawk said:WELL.....
1. No one asked you if you're in any scum chats to my knowledge that is a red flag right away
2. I have high rep (in this game) think second to mad and clon? does my silence indicate such? See my response to Mark when I hold off because I need to evaluate playstyles
3. As a scum in this game, you would want to kill Mad/Clon/Me because the green rep would be misleading.....
4. Exp/Rep does not equal loudness, mad has 4x whatever the rep on me ask anyone from other mafia games who speaks more
I will await your response before pushing a vote
1. I mean, it was definetely insinuated that he was in a scum chat. Him addressing it is to be expected.
2. The rep thing is immaterial, you know that. What were you looking for him to say in response.
3. Is this it?
4. Spoiler: Its Ebon.
6 hours ago, markdedrick said:From my experience nothing about Erik's (@rewen007) play suggests scum to me, but I can see how it might read as odd to others. Taking a bit of time right now to look at the first day's vote, and some past posts. There's some real inactivity from some typically active players, including Adam, Cary and Mark F. There's also been very little out of Mad, who I don't know. On the voting, the one thing that really jumps out at me is @markferguson not voting on day one. He's usually the biggest lynching advocate, and honestly the only time I can remember him not voting to lynch on night one was when he was in fact scum. This is thin evidence, but at least to get the conversation going:
##vote @markferguson
This is interesting, but impossible for me corroborate. I’d love for some of the crew who know more to comment about it.
5 hours ago, EbonHawk said:Fair enough, thanks for getting back and clearing up No.1.
on No.3, I would say scum would look to take up people with 'green rep' the +number next to the profile, while not an indicator of anything I feel in a game with new forum goers scum will want to target the people who've been forum mafiaing the longest ala mad, me, pod, clon..
I can say for now Mads playing a typical day2, it will tell when he starts posting more
I would say they are helpful, I'm see going to keep my eye on your game today but for the moment I feel more comfortable with you, out of 'your lot'
who seems most out of sorts to you
I haven’t been playing my typical game. I haven’t been playing at all. Which is its own problem, but why would you say this was typical?
4 hours ago, EbonHawk said:Also like to know, apart from being more jokey as I pointed out, I've struggled to find a link between you and rowan, I've re-read 3 times
I feel like Pod is really pushing today and to the vets here (mad/clon) it doesn't feel like his town pushing, not at all, I'm feeling we're being had by scum pod
##vote Podracer
if even joke voted me again D1, a harp back to scum, and so far has done little of his vote jumping/pushing again mad/clon hoping you two are seeing this
Flagged to remind me to re-read pods game.
4 hours ago, PodRacer said:Oh...
=s
If you dint get a gift last night, then I was likely roleblocked..
This leads to a sequence of posts that very much concern me. Clon says he didn’t get any gift from Pod, which lead to this post, where Pod believes he was roleblocked.
4 hours ago, clontroper5 said:Answer Carefully:
Was this "gift"
1.) Useful
2.) Dangerous
3.) Important
4.) Other
Why would this matter it he was roleblocked? Fishing? (This clears up later)
4 hours ago, EbonHawk said:as tonw you vote and push people at random, as scum you don't
4 hours ago, PodRacer said:Like mad?...
I’d say I wasnt random, I deserve a push.
4 hours ago, PodRacer said:Like the 2 or three votes day one?
Have to verify. For the new crew, Ebon’s description of Pods typical play as town is accurate.
4 hours ago, PodRacer said:For the record.. I'm the fruit vendor.. I gifted clon last night
No kidding.
4 hours ago, clontroper5 said:I can confirm just wanted to be careful with what information I shared. I did receive a piece of fruit.
Why? This is the biggest red flag. Clon is now admitting to lying to us. That runs afoul of the lynch all liars protocol. That he wasnt caught in it, but simply admits to it, is the only mitigating circumstance on his side.
4 hours ago, EbonHawk said:thought so,
and yes scum fruit vendor isn't a real role (only made up for last game)
that's pod/clon clean now
Why? Cuz they say so? The only thing I know for sure about Clon is that he’s lied.
4 hours ago, PodRacer said:Is clon clean?
No, see above.
4 hours ago, clontroper5 said:While I appreciate the vote of confidence I would also like to point out that as Scum my whole purpose is to look as innocent as possible so we need to keep our suspicion high of pretty much everyone.
Not doing a great job of it.
3 hours ago, clontroper5 said:Actually I think @Madaghmire would be a good target
I mean, sure. I hadn’t participated at an svveptable level, fair.
3 hours ago, EbonHawk said:Last online Friday 6:15pm, either it's the worst scummarine ever or he has something happening, either way I'd vote him if nothing else happens just due to lack of activity and guarantee he'll be posting
3 hours ago, markdedrick said:Sorry, was in a lunch meeting and just came back to my desk to a ton of messages. Took me a minute to get through everything. Paul's death didn't bring a single person to mind for me. He's a very good and active player, and is good at figuring things out in general, so I'd guess that's why he was killed? He didn't do anything, in my read of day one, that particularly suggested a power role. So I'd say that at least one of the scum comes from the WhatsApp group, which I know is an extremely unhelpful conclusion given that we're looking at 3-4 mafia likely this game.
It tells me someone in the new crew is scum, but so does basic probability.
At the moment, I’m most concerned with Clon, because Lynch all liars. Why lie in that situation?
Clarification, I never lied. Specifically pod said "enjoy the gift?"
I asked: "what gift"
He later said he was Fruit vender, I confirmed that he did give me fruit.
I did this because I didn't want to accendently confirm something that didn't happen or give him info he didn't know (in case he was scum) when it was obvious he was in the fact the source of my fruit I confirmed his identify to clear him for Ebon
So again I never lied....
21 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:Clarification, I never lied. Specifically pod said "enjoy the gift?"
I asked: "what gift"
He later said he was Fruit vender, I confirmed that he did give me fruit.
19 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:I did this because I didn't want to accendently confirm something that didn't happen or give him info he didn't know (in case he was scum) when it was obvious he was in the fact the source of my fruit I confirmed his identify to clear him for Ebon
18 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:So again I never lied....
Ehhh. If we go to a show, and you were supposed to tickets, and I say “Hey Clon, you got the tickets?” And then you say “What tickets?” It means you dont have the tickets.
When you say “What gift?” the only reasonable interpretation is that you are asserting you didn’t recieve a gift. That you didnt get caught out by a third party, as well as your post asking pod to describe his hypothetical gift, is all that leaves me open to the idea you just played this overly cautiously. But theres no reason not to confirm receipt there. Regardless of Pods affiliation, confirming you got “something” from him is the town move, because should it prove inimical we’d know who gave it to you, and should it prove benign we’d know Pod wasn’t at fault. Either way, town would have a clearer picture.
1 hour ago, Madaghmire said:
Ehhh. If we go to a show, and you were supposed to tickets, and I say “Hey Clon, you got the tickets?” And then you say “What tickets?” It means you dont have the tickets.
When you say “What gift?” the only reasonable interpretation is that you are asserting you didn’t recieve a gift. That you didnt get caught out by a third party, as well as your post asking pod to describe his hypothetical gift, is all that leaves me open to the idea you just played this overly cautiously. But theres no reason not to confirm receipt there. Regardless of Pods affiliation, confirming you got “something” from him is the town move, because should it prove inimical we’d know who gave it to you, and should it prove benign we’d know Pod wasn’t at fault. Either way, town would have a clearer picture.
tbf to clon pod could've been a tracker or something and known clon had got something, it doesn't clear clon but its a theroy.. either way town or scum he would confirm the fruit i guess
14hrs and 3mins remaining
VOTES:
@CaryHaneyDC
@markdedrick:
@Wenchiman: Rewen007 (L-6)
@EbonHawk:
@Rewen007: Pod (L-6)
@markferguson: Mark D.
@TheCallum: TrainGirl, EbonHawk (L-5).
7 to Lynch.
I'l be honest, at first I thought one of Ebon or Clon could be in the scumchat, but now I'm like..
Porque no los dos??
31 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:tbf to clon pod could've been a tracker or something and known clon had got something, it doesn't clear clon but its a theroy.. either way town or scum he would confirm the fruit i guess
He’d have known Clon was visited if he were a traxker or watcher, not that he got something.
1 hour ago, PodRacer said:I'l be honest, at first I thought one of Ebon or Clon could be in the scumchat, but now I'm like..
Porque no los dos??
stop using google translate to pretend to speak other languages and you'e barking the wrong tree
So I can reveal my role as it's useless now anyway I was the Serph Knight, 1 time in the entire game I protect someone for the entire game.
By the luck of the gods I picked Pod D1. Which as he is now confirmed 100% is a blinding move by myself if I say so myself, basically even if I die the only way you guys are killing pod is a lynch, he is immune to all night kills now for the entire game, and as such my role is now just vanilla town as I have no powers left.
Whatever happens to me, pod is protected and will be towns rock now.
Still think I'm in scumchat you muppet, why do you think I was pushing you and clon into the reveal
Did...did you just call him a muppet as a perjorative? Muppets bring only joy.
3 hours ago, Madaghmire said:
Ehhh. If we go to a show, and you were supposed to tickets, and I say “Hey Clon, you got the tickets?” And then you say “What tickets?” It means you dont have the tickets.
When you say “What gift?” the only reasonable interpretation is that you are asserting you didn’t recieve a gift. That you didnt get caught out by a third party, as well as your post asking pod to describe his hypothetical gift, is all that leaves me open to the idea you just played this overly cautiously. But theres no reason not to confirm receipt there. Regardless of Pods affiliation, confirming you got “something” from him is the town move, because should it prove inimical we’d know who gave it to you, and should it prove benign we’d know Pod wasn’t at fault. Either way, town would have a clearer picture.
Let me just say as a person that was a SCUM FRUIT VENDER last game which gave Poison Fruit I saw plenty of reason not to immediately confirm it. Also last game we had lots of Literal presents and Gifts which could mean Alot of different things. So I am probably overly paronoid about gifts right now true, but I had my reasons.
I later went and Reviewed all of the roles again and will admit that my caution was probably overblown. But I wasn't sure at the time.
2 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:Did...did you just call him a muppet as a perjorative? Muppets bring only joy.
term of endearment
7 minutes ago, EbonHawk said:stop using google translate to pretend to speak other languages and you'e barking the wrong tree
So I can reveal my role as it's useless now anyway I was the Serph Knight, 1 time in the entire game I protect someone for the entire game.
By the luck of the gods I picked Pod D1. Which as he is now confirmed 100% is a blinding move by myself if I say so myself, basically even if I die the only way you guys are killing pod is a lynch, he is immune to all night kills now for the entire game, and as such my role is now just vanilla town as I have no powers left.
Whatever happens to me, pod is protected and will be towns rock now.
Still think I'm in scumchat you muppet, why do you think I was pushing you and clon into the reveal
Lol, if that's true that is awesome. I had no idea what that role did haha.
7 minutes ago, clontroper5 said:Let me just say as a person that was a SCUM FRUIT VENDER last game which gave Poison Fruit I saw plenty of reason not to immediately confirm it. Also last game we had lots of Literal presents and Gifts which could mean Alot of different things. So I am probably overly paronoid about gifts right now true, but I had my reasons.
I later went and Reviewed all of the roles again and will admit that my caution was probably overblown. But I wasn't sure at the time.
Thats only more reason to confirm it.
Just now, Madaghmire said:Thats only more reason to confirm it.
Maybe to you, but again your perspective and mine are very different
And I did confirm it
4 hours ago, Madaghmire said:Ok, that was a long read, though not as long as it perhaps should have been, and as to both I did it to myself. I did a first pass and flagged everything that caught my eye. I dont know the new cats yet, so if I misinterpret something, its not personal.
First red flag, why are you concerned with town roles at all? Town roles will be revealed as we go, by the players who have them, as their role provides relevant information. That you also mention scum roles could either be legitmate guesswork as to both or merely attempting to project that image.
And thats a lazy follow. The “analysis” in question was simply a prod. Two early red flags Rewen.
Merely casting a vote isnt really looking to lynch aithout cause. Especially early, voting is the most useful tool in the town toolbox to pressure and hopefully force a scumslip.
It was quiet, but there were some things.
Like this, here. This is a common fallacy among newer players. I also believed it, once upon a time. After all, better not to kill a fellow townie right? But then we sacrifice valuable information.
Based on the timing (very close to end d1, trying to push a lynch) I’ll give these passes. But wow, really insightful stuff with these.
Same as above.
Good, shades of town. Call to action, making a push, providing reasoning.
Yep.
I read this and assumed LP gave them a lowdown on some of us regulars. The scumchat theory was interesting.
The Green rep gets discussed a bit, it just means I played a lot of Armada and was a vocal member of the community.
1. I mean, it was definetely insinuated that he was in a scum chat. Him addressing it is to be expected.
2. The rep thing is immaterial, you know that. What were you looking for him to say in response.
3. Is this it?
4. Spoiler: Its Ebon.
This is interesting, but impossible for me corroborate. I’d love for some of the crew who know more to comment about it.
I haven’t been playing my typical game. I haven’t been playing at all. Which is its own problem, but why would you say this was typical?
Flagged to remind me to re-read pods game.
This leads to a sequence of posts that very much concern me. Clon says he didn’t get any gift from Pod, which lead to this post, where Pod believes he was roleblocked.
Why would this matter it he was roleblocked? Fishing? (This clears up later)
I’d say I wasnt random, I deserve a push.
Have to verify. For the new crew, Ebon’s description of Pods typical play as town is accurate.
No kidding.
Why? This is the biggest red flag. Clon is now admitting to lying to us. That runs afoul of the lynch all liars protocol. That he wasnt caught in it, but simply admits to it, is the only mitigating circumstance on his side.
Why? Cuz they say so? The only thing I know for sure about Clon is that he’s lied.
No, see above.
Not doing a great job of it.
I mean, sure. I hadn’t participated at an svveptable level, fair.
It tells me someone in the new crew is scum, but so does basic probability.
At the moment, I’m most concerned with Clon, because Lynch all liars. Why lie in that situation?
This is a super helpful summary, thanks!
7 hours ago, TheCallum said:Haha it’s all completely secondary to lynch votes. We need to get a few people on the noose.
Can't fault this logic:
##vote @TheCallum
So the justification for lynching me is “we have to lynch someone”?
Ok fair enough. The only defence I have to that is I’m not a baddy, I just wanted to get something done. 