2 minutes ago, Rabobankrider said:

@EliasWindrider , ok, you can do that at some point. Unfortunately you do not sense a resistance contact on the planet, most likely because until recently it was under the command of the republic.

@Lotr_Nerd , welcome back. I am going to retcon this so that your Jawa dd in fact leave with Tino and is currently on the ship. I'm afraid that your master will now have to be met on Mandalore at this point.

@Tramp Graphics , @TheShard , @SithArissa , @Jonas Shaaf and @Stormbourne , when you guys know how you want to get out into the wilds to search for @Jonas Shaaf 's mate, throw a post up for it (as GM Kark is taking a back seat).

Yeah, I'd still like to use the Jedi Star . Given that it has an Autopilot droid brain, it doesn't have to actually land to drop us off or pick us up. "Auto" (I really need to come up with proper nicknames for the three droid brains) can simply hover over the surface and maintain vigil over the site. So, as long as there's enough room, it shouldn't be a problem. What do the rest of you guys think?

If @Rabobankrider has a survival-esq encounter set up for us just let him play it out.

@Tramp Graphics , if you have climbing gear to get in and out from a hover you're welcome to try. Keep in mind though that flying and hovering that low is going to be pretty tricky, especially for a big ship. Also if it does end up falling down a hole you will need a new ship 😛

21 minutes ago, Rabobankrider said:

@Tramp Graphics , if you have climbing gear to get in and out from a hover you're welcome to try. Keep in mind though that flying and hovering that low is going to be pretty tricky, especially for a big ship. Also if it does end up falling down a hole you will need a new ship 😛

The Ghost crew did it all the time. Just get it down low enough to lower the main boarding ramp. And, yes, I do have climbing gear as well. Watch this clip from Rebels:

Pay particular attention to time stamp 2:00-2:42.

The only difference between this and what I'd have Auto do, is that Auto wouldn't maintain any forward momentum before descending.

Most of Rebels sucks and is a bad example for gameplay. In FFG stormtroopers are actually dangerous, falling off stuff should be avoided, and I don't think anyone can fly using their lightsaber.

If you want to hover that close to the ground, it's going to be tricky to avoid bumping your ships **** on the ice.

well that manuver is called a barn swallow, first shown in serenity, and requires a run way if there isn't enough space to land there is enough to pull this off

3 minutes ago, Rabobankrider said:

Most of Rebels sucks and is a bad example for gameplay. In FFG stormtroopers are actually dangerous, falling off stuff should be avoided, and I don't think anyone can fly using their lightsaber.

If you want to hover that close to the ground, it's going to be tricky to avoid bumping your ships **** on the ice.

Well, that's a matter of opinion. Regardless, both Korath and "Auto" each have 3 ranks in Piloting (Space) , so it shouldn't be too hard, and Rebels isn't the only example of this tactic used. It's also used in the battle of Geonosis, and by U-wings in the battle of Scarif, the only real difference being the "troops" embarking and disembarking from the side, rather than from a forward ramp. Either way, it's up to everyone else in the group. @TheShard , @Jonas Shaaf , @Stormbourne , what do you think?

Before I forget, does this ship have a hover capability? Only not all of the ships in the system do.

3 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Well, that's a matter of opinion. Regardless, both Korath and "Auto" each have 3 ranks in Piloting (Space) , so it shouldn't be too hard, and Rebels isn't the only example of this tactic used. It's also used in the battle of Geonosis, and by U-wings in the battle of Scarif, the only real difference being the "troops" embarking and disembarking from the side, rather than from a forward ramp. Either way, it's up to everyone else in the group. @TheShard , @Jonas Shaaf , @Stormbourne , what do you think?

well it would need to be piloting (planetry), and you want avalon pounching around your ship while trying this?

3 minutes ago, Rabobankrider said:

Before I forget, does this ship have a hover capability? Only not all of the ships in the system do.

Any ship capable of planetary landing has Repulsorlift engines, this allows hovering, so, yes it does. Even Imperial Class Star Destroyers could hover over a location in atmosphere, as seen in Rogue One . They couldn't land, but they could hover over a city. I don't know of any atmospheric capable starships that can't use their repulsors to hover in place.

4 minutes ago, Stormbourne said:

well it would need to be piloting (planetry), and you want avalon pounching around your ship while trying this?

No, it wouldn't be. It's still Piloting (Space) . Starships still use Piloting (Space) while in atmosphere, or when landing and such. As for Avalon, he would be expected to remain at the boarding ramp (not on it), along with everyone else.

1 hour ago, Tramp Graphics said:

No. I'm serious about it being too hot. It's not simply a First Order shuttle. It was a command shuttle; specifically the personal command shuttle of Mathis Karr. It's like the difference between stealing a generic shuttle, such as the Shuttle Tydirium and stealing Darth Vader's, or the Grand Inquisitor's, personal shuttle. A generic Lamda class shuttle is pretty easy to fence or otherwise use for missions without too much trouble. Do that with Vader's personal shuttle, or even the Grand Inquisitor's personal shuttle, and you, and anyone else associated with the operation, is toast. The same here. It's too hot because it is the personal command shuttle of very high ranking in the First Order, particularly, one of the high ranking Dark Side adepts. As such, it is much more easily traced . That makes it far more dangerous to keep or sell off, for both parties .

Yes, you're definitely still welcome.

What besides a transponder code, which any smuggler worth his salt can get changed, makes a "lambda" shuttle of an inquisitor immediately recognizable/distinguishable from any generic "lambda" shuttle? (BTW those are scare quotes because it's a first order shuttle that is similar to an actual lambda in terms of performance characteristics)

5 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

No, it wouldn't be. It's still Piloting (Space) . Starships still use Piloting (Space) while in atmosphere, or when landing and such. As for Avalon, he would be expected to remain at the boarding ramp (not on it), along with everyone else.

can i see the page with that as im sure, if you in atmosphere its planetary and space otherwise

Surely repulse thrusters on fragile ice sheets is going to make all involved have a bad time?

23 minutes ago, EliasWindrider said:

What besides a transponder code, which any smuggler worth his salt can get changed, makes a "lambda" shuttle of an inquisitor immediately recognizable/distinguishable from any generic "lambda" shuttle? (BTW those are scare quotes because it's a first order shuttle that is similar to an actual lambda in terms of performance characteristics)

Yes, I know. I used the Lamda as an example. As for the transponders, and other "identifying features", there are indeed other "codes" and markings that separate the two, but that's besides the point. For groups like the Resistance, and the Rebellion preceding them, part of the point of acquiring certain types of ships from the enemy (such as the Lamda used in RotJ) is for infiltration of enemy facilities. This means they need to have the right codes. However, those would usually be standard Imperial (or First Order) codes, not the personal codes of a particular individual. So, yes, you could "feasibly" change the transponder and other codes, but, unless said codes are generic First Order codes, said ship would still be a huge target.

19 minutes ago, Stormbourne said:

can i see the page with that as im sure, if you in atmosphere its planetary and space otherwise

Pages 124-125 of the F&D core book. Piloting (Planetary) is used to pilot surface vehicles such as Repulsorlift vehicles (speeders), watercraft, aircraft, and ground vehicles, whether by rolling, gliding, flying, or floating. Piloting (Space) specifically states it is used to pilot starships. Also, on page 237 of the F&D core book, in the sidebar Cpombat and the Piloting Skill, it specifically says:

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Whenever a Piloting check is called for, the piloting character or NPC must make a check usinf either Piloting (Planetary) or Piloting (Space) , depending on the vehicle.

Note, it says that it is the type of vehicle which determines which skill you use, not where you're operating said vehicle. Thus, Starships always use Piloting (Space).

5 minutes ago, SithArissa said:

Surely repulse thrusters on fragile ice sheets is going to make all involved have a bad time?

Not really, since repulsor engines don't use hot exhaust for the "thrust", rather, they use anti-gravity technology.

To be fair, the stolen shuttle looks just like any other shuttle, both in and out. It may be that Karr just bobbed down on the shuttle to the planet with his men. Though the transponder would be imperial, the appearance is just a standard vessel.

@SithArissa , good point worth considering. We've seen speeders fall into ravines here and there due to fragile surfaces. Also before this becomes a big debate, I';m cutting it off not by saying that there is a risk due to repulsors on fragile surfaces. Final ruling.

Also @Tramp Graphics , if Korath is going to start leaving players behind while he goes to do the itneresting stuff, I'm out. Fair warning.

4 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Yes, I know. I used the Lamda as an example. As for the transponders, and other "identifying features", there are indeed other "codes" and markings that separate the two, but that's besides the point. For groups like the Resistance, and the Rebellion preceding them, part of the point of acquiring certain types of ships from the enemy (such as the Lamda used in RotJ) is for infiltration of enemy facilities. This means they need to have the right codes. However, those would usually be standard Imperial (or First Order) codes, not the personal codes of a particular individual. So, yes, you could "feasibly" change the transponder and other codes, but, unless said codes are generic First Order codes, said ship would still be a huge target.

So in other words your suggestion to ditch it instead of trading it to the Resistance or black sun or any other experienced smuggling/criminal organization in the absence of an immediate threat is just wasteful.

I should also say that unless I'm remembering @player3333902 's backstory wrong, I think they're just freelance at this point for the Black Sun, just in case that helps with decisions.

15 minutes ago, Rabobankrider said:

To be fair, the stolen shuttle looks just like any other shuttle, both in and out. It may be that Karr just bobbed down on the shuttle to the planet with his men. Though the transponder would be imperial, the appearance is just a standard vessel.

@SithArissa , good point worth considering. We've seen speeders fall into ravines here and there due to fragile surfaces. Also before this becomes a big debate, I';m cutting it off not by saying that there is a risk due to repulsors on fragile surfaces. Final ruling.

Also @Tramp Graphics , if Korath is going to start leaving players behind while he goes to do the itneresting stuff, I'm out. Fair warning.

Not planning on leaving anyone behind. What I was saying regarding Avalon is that since we’d be disembarking from the main boarding ramp, that is where everyone would need to be while the ship descended and the ramp lowered. This includes Korath, since he’d be relying on Autopilot to do this maneuver with help from any of the three astromech droids, all of whom are capable of piloting a starship.

11 minutes ago, EliasWindrider said:

So in other words your suggestion to ditch it instead of trading it to the Resistance or black sun or any other experienced smuggling/criminal organization in the absence of an immediate threat is just wasteful.

No, what I’m saying is that while swapping transponder codes is possible, it isn’t feasible unless you had actual First Order military transponders to swap around. You can’t just plug in any old civilian transponder into a military vessel. So, unless you had access to generic First Order shuttle transponders, as well as other security codes changing out the transponder doesn’t help.

6 minutes ago, Rabobankrider said:

I should also say that unless I'm remembering @player3333902 's backstory wrong, I think they're just freelance at this point for the Black Sun, just in case that helps with decisions.

Who owns the kst-100, black sun or tino?

For ease I'm saying Tino, I may have said different earlier (honestly can't remember), but this is the answer I will be sticking with for the future.

1 minute ago, Tramp Graphics said:

No, what I’m saying is that while swapping transponder codes is possible, it isn’t feasible unless you had actual First Order military transponders to swap around. You can’t just plug in any old civilian transponder into a military vessel. So, unless you had access to generic First Order shuttle transponders, as well as other security codes changing out the transponder doesn’t help.

Incorrect, we don't need those, they do, they being the Resistance or black sun or any other smuggling operation worth their salt.

11 minutes ago, Rabobankrider said:

For ease I'm saying Tino, I may have said different earlier (honestly can't remember), but this is the answer I will be sticking with for the future.

Elias sees an opportunity to swap rides, leave the planet with Tino and the jaws, tino's buzz of excitement distracts him momentarily as he tries to focus

Calming himself he tries again.

Seek for the nearest not present member of a smuggling operation with the resources to swap out the transponder and other codes on a first order shuttle : 4eF 3 Light Side, 3 Dark Side

Also, the kst-100 has 2 crew and 4 state rooms for passengers, they're are currently 7 of us although 1 is silhouette zero. Technically if 2 people double up in a stateroom (and Elias would be willing to sleep on the floor in a stateroom or on a couch in the lounge) there is space in the kst-100 for all of us but would the life support systems be able to handle an extra silhouette zero lifeforms beyond nominal capacity. Out of game I know it won't come to that because the jedi star will be arriving on gorse but the character Elias Windrider doesn't know that yet, so his plan at the moment would be for the seven of them to leave on the kst-100 which requires the kst-100 to be able to handle an extra silhouette 0 creature beyond nominal (as an engineer real world I expect this to be the case, and Elias is generally familiar with CEC ships) so the question is does Elias have reason to believe that the kst-100 can handle an extra silhouette 0 creature so that we don't still need the first order shuttle so he can try to find a buyer for the first order shuttle.

I think that we have been using seek wrong on a few checks, in the books it say it can locate someone or something that the player knows about, and I don't think Elias knows about a smuggler on this planet.

16 minutes ago, EliasWindrider said:

Incorrect, we don't need those, they do, they being the Resistance or black sun or any other smuggling operation worth their salt.

And, if I were the head of any such organization, I wouldn’t touch that ship with a ten kilometer pole. It’s too hot. You asked for our opinions. Mine is hack the computer for any viable Intelligence then scuttle the ship. That’s my recommendation. Take it or leave it.

19 minutes ago, Rabobankrider said:

I think that we have been using seek wrong on a few checks, in the books it say it can locate someone or something that the player knows about, and I don't think Elias knows about a smuggler on this planet.

Elias knows that there are smugglers on every major planet just not who they are on this one.

If you prefer I could use seek to find a member of the black market and traditional negotiation checks from there?

@Rabobankrider