1 minute ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Uh huh. Does he not realize that the more trouble he causes, the less chance there is of Korath, or any of the other Jedi for that matter, training him? He's just digging a deeper and deeper hole for himself. Yes, as a player I find his antics funny, but, objectively, it's very counterproductive to getting trained.

Wait and see

8 minutes ago, Stormbourne said:

Wait and see

Are you suggesting that Tramp will stop finding it funny ?

@Stormbourne and @player3333902 , I still need the discipline check with the difficulty 2eC+3eD, and if you guys guys need to decide if you want to try sneaking into the village as @EliasWindrider suggested.

@Tramp Graphics , with seek you'd be able to tell the general direction that Avalon is in.

@EliasWindrider unfortunately the discipline check isn't to do with fear, it's to do with a force power. Because of that it won't effect the check.

@Tramp Graphics the kitchen can indeed hear you, but they don't know what an Avalon is, they don't know what you're on about.

@Stormbourne , don't think I've ever heard of a basic equipment rule that gives you free stuff, but you're going to have to buy the gear you want. rs, so that's something to bear in mind.

@Tramp Graphics , we have talked about telling people how to play their character. Leave @Stormbourne alone or I will have to find a way ic to separate you two.

@Stormbourne , I did say the disadvantage on the last stealth check meant you stay hidden but weren't able to get any food, you are currently empty handed and will need to edit your post.

@Tramp Graphics , don't be a **** and stop trying to get people to clean the ship. You're not a military officer here. You say that Avalon is less likely to be able to find a master, if Korath keeps on this route he's going to struggle to find a master. I think you have more invested in this game than most of the playe

12 minutes ago, Rabobankrider said:

@Stormbourne and @player3333902 , I still need the discipline check with the difficulty 2eC+3eD, and if you guys guys need to decide if you want to try sneaking into the village as @EliasWindrider suggested.

@Tramp Graphics , with seek you'd be able to tell the general direction that Avalon is in.

@EliasWindrider unfortunately the discipline check isn't to do with fear, it's to do with a force power. Because of that it won't effect the check.

@Tramp Graphics the kitchen can indeed hear you, but they don't know what an Avalon is, they don't know what you're on about.

@Stormbourne , don't think I've ever heard of a basic equipment rule that gives you free stuff, but you're going to have to buy the gear you want. rs, so that's something to bear in mind.

@Tramp Graphics , we have talked about telling people how to play their character. Leave @Stormbourne alone or I will have to find a way ic to separate you two.

@Stormbourne , I did say the disadvantage on the last stealth check meant you stay hidden but weren't able to get any food, you are currently empty handed and will need to edit your post.

@Tramp Graphics , don't be a **** and stop trying to get people to clean the ship. You're not a military officer here. You say that Avalon is less likely to be able to find a master, if Korath keeps on this route he's going to struggle to find a master. I think you have more invested in this game than most of the playe

On 11/4/2018 at 9:27 PM, Stormbourne said:

First jesus christ

Jesus christ : 2eP+2eC+3eD 1 success, 3 threat

Second chemdat should stick with me incase of a failed stealth roll

Sneaky time : 1eA+2eP+1eB+3eD 1 success, 2 threat

Stealth against 2 black? Anything else?

I already make a disciple check first roll

Okay well staying hidden for now what would be the next check I need to make? If I want to do a grab and run or go undetected?

As for basic equipment one of my players noted it in EotE it said that all characters got a commlink and gasmask per player I'm not sure which page but I trust them and it was also needed as I had to seperate them on there first session

26 minutes ago, Stormbourne said:

I already make a disciple check first roll

Okay well staying hidden for now what would be the next check I need to make? If I want to do a grab and run or go undetected?

As for basic equipment one of my players noted it in EotE it said that all characters got a commlink and gasmask per player I'm not sure which page but I trust them and it was also needed as I had to seperate them on there first session

From page 98 of the EotE CRB:

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Characters do not start the game with any items
save what they purchase with their starting credits or
any miscellaneous sundries they feel are appropriate
for their character (see page 180).

It sounds like your friend was talking about a house rule at his/her table. "Miscellaneous sundries" covers things like a wrist watch, toiletries, and the like, not actual equipment . A comlink and a breathmask are equipment that needs to be purchased.

3 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

From page 98 of the EotE CRB:

It sounds like your friend was talking about a house rule at his/her table. "Miscellaneous sundries" covers things like a wrist watch, toiletries, and the like, not actual equipment . A comlink and a breathmask are equipment that needs to be purchased.

I was the GM at this session

Just now, Stormbourne said:

I was the GM at this session

Then it sounds like he or she was trying to pull a fast one on you because there is no such rule, as I posted above. The rules only say miscellaneous sundries . That does not include actual equipment from the equipment tables.

@Rabobankrider , give me a difficulty for a Negotiation Check against the Bartender.

Make an ic argument why he shouldn't throw you out first and I will tell you what check and skill you need.

9 minutes ago, Rabobankrider said:

Make an ic argument why he shouldn't throw you out first and I will tell you what check and skill you need.

Here's what I plan to post:

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"My friend," Korath says with a slight wave of his hand, "I'm terribly sorry for the disturbance. My wayward student is a "bit of a handful", and has apparently gotten himself lost and wandered into your kitchen, and has no comlink. (hands the bartender 200 credits) This is for the trouble, and should more than cover the cost of the bill for our meals, and any "damages". I would be most appreciative if you could have someone find him and escort him out here, so we can finish our meals and be on our way. It's been a long journey.

Let me know what the difficulty is.

7 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Not if Korath catches up to him, which he will . Also, Korath calling into the kitchen wouldn't distract the workers. It would alert them to Avalon's presence , thus making his attempted thefts more difficult , not easier. There's also not that many places to hide in a restaurant kitchen. Thus, there is no way he can automatically succeed at grabbing a morsel and run without being caught.

Not only that, but he should realize that by not obeying Korath, and trying to duck back out the way he came, he's pretty much guaranteeing some long hours of scrubbing ahead of him. So he's not doing himself any favors. Also, how did Avalon manage to get through the back door in the first place? I know from first hand experience (my first job was as a dishwasher at Ponderosa Steak House ) that the back kitchen door to any restaurant is kept locked at all times for security reasons, opened only for deliveries or for the employees to take out the garage.

Once again this is sounding a lot like you trying to control Korath's apprentice, i.e. Avalon, who is not your character.

28 minutes ago, EliasWindrider said:

Once again this is sounding a lot like you trying to control Korath's apprentice, i.e. Avalon, who is not your character.

Am I ? No. Korath, on the other hand, is trying to teach the boy discipline, restraint, and respect for other people and their property, three things the boy is sorely lacking in. And, yes, using the Mentor Complications, table from page 72 of DoH , Korath does fall under the Strict Mentor type, and one of the characteristics of that type of Mentor is disobedience resulting in “harsh or tedious punishments or cessation of training”. Avalon is currently a very disobedient student, a wild child that needs discipline before he can learn the ways of the Force. That’s why Korath hasn’t begun any formal training yet. He first needs to break the boy of his bad habits.

It should also be noted that if you look at traditional Martial Arts dojos, the students are responsible for keeping their dojo’s clean. This is also true of Japanese schools. This is done partly to instill discipline and responsibility in the students . And, based upon The Jedi Path, this philosophy was followed in the Jedi Order as well.

7 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Only if @Rabobankrider allows it. Technically, you need to make another skill check if you want to even attempt it. And, if I were him, I'd hit you with a lot of Setback and an upgraded difficulty due to the fact that the kitchen staff now knows you're there. Also, Drez'n told the head cook to keep an eye out for you to begin with since he foresaw you sneaking into the kitchen already. So, everybody knows what you're doing.

And, there's no "we'll see" about it. You can ask @EliasWindrider , Korath is a very strict disciplinarian.

Elias snuck past your guard droid hacker in the middle of the night to get to Trixie... and Korath being able to enforce discipline had a lot to do with Tramp being the GM.

18 hours ago, Rabobankrider said:

@Tramp Graphics , we have talked about telling people how to play their character. Leave @Stormbourne alone or I will have to find a way ic to separate you two.

Earlier I offered Chemdat as an apprentice for Korath so no one else had to deal with Tramp playing not their mentor but their Master (I think Tramp takes jedi MASTER too literally), and I offered Elias as a MENTOR to @Stormbourne /Avalon. What Korath/Tramp fails to realize that how you teach someone works best when (and sometimes requires) it is tailored to who is being taught. Not that what's best for characters matters (as opposed to what's best for their players which does matter), but Avalon the character seems like he needs nurturing and a sense of security (that he's not going to be left on his own again) and that the carrot would work better than the stick with him.

1 hour ago, EliasWindrider said:

Avalon the character     see  ms like he needs nurturing and a sense of security (that he's not going to be left on his own again) and that the carrot would work better than the stick w  ith hi  m. 

Especially sice Tramp isn't allowed to use the stick...

3 hours ago, EliasWindrider said:

Earlier I offered Chemdat as an apprentice for Korath so no one else had to deal with Tramp playing not their mentor but their Master (I think Tramp takes jedi MASTER too literally), and I offered Elias as a MENTOR to @Stormbourne /Avalon. What Korath/Tramp fails to realize that how you teach someone works best when (and sometimes requires) it is tailored to who is being taught. Not that what's best for characters matters (as opposed to what's best for their players which does matter), but Avalon the character seems like he needs nurturing and a sense of security (that he's not going to be left on his own again) and that the carrot would work better than the stick with him.

Avalon needs both , but, as far as Korath is concerned, and I believe Jonas (the character) would agree, given his own run ins with the boy's antics (correct me if I'm wrong here), he primarily needs disciple. However, that is also why we have multiple teachers, all with different personalities and teaching styles.

2 hours ago, Jonas Shaaf said:

Especially sice Tramp isn't allowed to use the stick...

You mean Korath? As I said, as a player , how @Stormbourne is playing Avalon is perfectly fine with me . It's funny, and provides good humor, particularly when it's thematically appropriate. My character , on the other hand, sees things differently, and is trying very hard to straighten the boy out and keep him out of trouble, and teach him responsibility . Some of you keep on telling me not to tell others how to play their characters. well, that goes both ways . I'm playing Korath as a character , who is strict and disciplined , and expects discipline from others, particularly his students. That is who and what he is . That naturally puts his and Avalon's personalities on a collision course, much like Mario Van Peeble's character and Gunny Highway in early parts of Heartbreak Ridge .

28 minutes ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Avalon needs both , but, as far as Korath is concerned, and I believe Jonas (the character) would agree, given his own run ins with the boy's antics (correct me if I'm wrong here), he primarily needs disciple. However, that is also why we have multiple teachers, all with different personalities and teaching styles.

You mean Korath? As I said, as a player , how @Stormbourne is playing Avalon is perfectly fine with me . It's funny, and provides good humor, particularly when it's thematically appropriate. My character , on the other hand, sees things differently, and is trying very hard to straighten the boy out and keep him out of trouble, and teach him responsibility . Some of you keep on telling me not to tell others how to play their characters. well, that goes both ways . I'm playing Korath as a character , who is strict and disciplined , and expects discipline from others, particularly his students. That is who and what he is . That naturally puts his and Avalon's personalities on a collision course, much like Mario Van Peeble's character and Gunny Highway in early parts of Heartbreak Ridge .

That's one of the reasons I chose to be his apprentice it allows non violent conflict

1 minute ago, Stormbourne said:

That's one of the reasons I chose to be his apprentice it allows non violent conflict

Of course we both have to know when that "conflict" is appropriate.

2 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

Avalon needs both , but, as far as Korath is concerned, and I believe      Jonas (the character) would agree, given his own r  un ins with the boy's antics (correct me if I'm wrong  here), he primarily needs disciple  .

Jonas (the character) thinks Avalon should be left on Drall. Jonas only ever trained 3 students, because he has exacting standards. Avalon doesn't meet his criteria. What Jonas doesn't appreciate yet is that his "old rules" need to change if he wants to rebuild the order...

Jonas (the player) notes that Korath can't actually discipline Avalon unless Stormbourne wants to RP that. Hence my comment about not being able to use a stick....

20 minutes ago, Jonas Shaaf said:

Jonas (the character) thinks Avalon should be left on Drall. Jonas only ever trained 3 students, because he has exacting standards. Avalon doesn't meet his criteria. What Jonas doesn't appreciate yet is that his "old rules" need to change if he wants to rebuild the order...

Man that's harsh! ? ?

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Jonas (the player) notes that Korath can't actually discipline Avalon unless Stormbourne wants to RP that. Hence my comment about not being able to use a stick....

We'll see.

Anywhat. @Rabobankrider , the difficulty for my Negotiation attempt using the planned quote I posted above? (reposted below):

23 hours ago, Tramp Graphics said:

"My friend," Korath says with a slight wave of his hand, "I'm terribly sorry for the disturbance. My wayward student is a "bit of a handful", and has apparently gotten himself lost and wandered into your kitchen, and has no comlink. (hands the bartender 200 credits) This is for the trouble, and should more than cover the cost of the bill for our meals, and any "damages". I would be most appreciative if you could have someone find him and escort him out here, so we can finish our meals and be on our way. It's been a long journey.

@Rabobankrider

Akua disc check : 4eP+2eC+3eD 0 successes, 1 threat

I'm fine with sneaking into the village what's the check difficulty?

3 hours ago, player3333902 said:

@Rabobankrider

Akua disc check : 4eP+2eC+3eD 0 successes, 1 threat

I'm fine with sneaking into the village what's the check difficulty?

You can add 3 boosts leftover from Chemdat's failed roll

1 hour ago, EliasWindrider said:

You can add 3 boosts leftover from Chemdat's failed roll

: 3eB 1 success, 2 advantage

Ok, so total wld be... 1 success and 1 advantage?

1 hour ago, player3333902 said:

: 3eB 1 success, 2 advantage

Ok, so total wld be... 1 success and 1 advantage?

That's my take, but @Rabobankrider has the only opinion that matters about this.