TCBC Freak said:
Atheosis said:
And yes my argument is partly based on my dislike of FFGs design choices regarding Chapter choices (I'm actually pretty neutral in my feelings for the Ultramarines as a Chapter). It's also based on a certain amount of simple deduction based on my knowledge of how big the Imperium is and how small a Space Marine Chapter is. What's yours based on again?
I think his argument is based on the fact that this is a game, and it was all made up. All of your pseudo-" knowledge" is based on what other people made up, which means if tomorrow the GW heads want to say only Ultramarines and their offspring can be in the Deathwatch, guess what, that's how it is.
Also, you can’t have “simply deduction” about something we control. As GM I can base my game anywhere in the Warhammer galaxy, which means I can put my team together in any Segmentum, so the FFG guys, knowing this, decided to give us the power to have the most popular Marines as PC options, it’s a sound idea. I’m sure that’s not the only reason but I bet you money it was one of them. You don’t think they (who have worked on this for a long time) had almost this same argument? Probable a dozen times??
I already said there are good out-of-game reasons to include Ultramarines. I never claimed otherwise. The internal logic of the setting is where the problem arises. Of course they can completely rewrite everything if they want (though they aren't going to), but based on what they've published the Ultramarines simply shouldn't be as likely to be encountered within Deathwatch as many other Chapters in the Segmentum Obscurus. Internal logic is what this is all about as far as I'm concerned, and internal logic is important if a fictional setting is ever going to be truly immersive (at least for certain people).