25 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

They're referring to when bit rates were above 3 digit/sec...

My understanding has always been than the baud modems, are the best kind, and I had twenty-four hundred bauds worth of modem.

2 hours ago, Jeff Wilder said:

They're called MUDs, you @#$% whipper-snapper.

I said old, not ancient!

On 3/12/2019 at 3:49 PM, jagsba said:

no one could win a top 50 invitational with trash cards like kylo and supernatural.

Can you link to the results? I can't find them.

2 minutes ago, AceWing said:

Can you link to the results? I can't find them.

Unfortunately, the Friday event didn’t keep lists.

it us forever lost to the aether...

Unfortunate.

35 minutes ago, AceWing said:

Unfortunate.

Kylo had Supernatural Reflexes and Pattern Analyzer. The rest of the list was Quickdraw and Null, but I'm not sure of their upgrades.

14 minutes ago, Biophysical said:

Kylo had Supernatural Reflexes and Pattern Analyzer. The rest of the list was Quickdraw and Null, but I'm not sure of their upgrades.

PA, FCS, Fanatical

1 hour ago, Brunas said:

I said old, not ancient!

You sonuva -- ! This was only, like, 27 ... years ... ago. Goddammit.

So on the Paul Heaver/Nathan Eide match from the Kraytcup Team event, one of the casters referred to Tallie flying through an alley of asteroids. Naturally, my thoughts went to perhaps the greatest composer in American history: Allen Toussaint.

Sneakin' Sally Tallie Through The Alley, as performed by Robert Palmer and the Meters:

2 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

PA, FCS, Fanatical

Kylo Ren — TIE/vn Silencer	76
Supernatural Reflexes	24
Pattern Analyzer	5
Ship Total: 105
Half Points: 53 Threshold: 3
“Quickdraw” — TIE/SF Fighter	45
Fanatical	2
Pattern Analyzer	5
Special Forces Gunner	10
Fire-Control System	2
Ship Total: 64
Half Points: 32 Threshold: 3
“Null” — TIE/FO Fighter	31
Ship Total: 31
Half Points: 16 Threshold: 2

Thanks

5 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

PA, FCS, Fanatical

Kylo Ren — TIE/vn Silencer	76
Supernatural Reflexes	24
Pattern Analyzer	5
Ship Total: 105
Half Points: 53 Threshold: 3
“Quickdraw” — TIE/SF Fighter	45
Fanatical	2
Pattern Analyzer	5
Special Forces Gunner	10
Fire-Control System	2
Ship Total: 64
Half Points: 32 Threshold: 3
“Null” — TIE/FO Fighter	31
Ship Total: 31
Half Points: 16 Threshold: 2

God, the disrespect. I'm taking this 200 point Supernatural list because I (correctly) believe no one.

Ok, data part 2

I would bring it, but a) there is a new trial, and b) the script doesn't work @Brunas on the Blakfyre Trial (Utah). Help plz?Nevermind, it works at home..

Ok, new try:

(and please, if you quote the post, dont include the images because they make everything so clunky)

I have 567 lists from swiss and 65 lists in the cut (11.5% conversion).

• Rebels had 192 lists (34%) with 710 ships on the table (3.7/list)
• Resistance had 135 lists (24%) with 487 ships (3.75)
• Empire had 87 lists (15%) with 431 ships (4.95!)
• Scum had 84 lists (15%) with 288 ships (3.43)
• First Order had 69 lists (12%) with 250 ships (3.62)

Same for the cut:

• Rebels had 29 lists (45%) with 116 ships on the table (4/list)
• Resistance had 12 lists (18%) with 45 ships (3.6)
• Empire had 18 lists (28%) with 97 ships (5.4!!)
• Scum had 4 (6%) with 14 ships (3.5)
• First Order had 2 lists (3%) with 6 ships (3)

The conversion of empire is astonishing and Resistance is confirmed as new glue eater faction (I can say so because I play them at the moment exclusively). But seriously, play imperial swarms, people!

Looking at what these lists look like, here are the 21 most frequent ships (heh, all) look like. The numbers on each bar tell you what % of lists in that faction used at least one such chassis.

T65 is still the dominant rebel ship, but now hard pressed by Y-wings. Resistance is - as known - almost exclusively Awings and T70s. Scum has no clue what they should be doing.

Looking at cuts (below) it turns out that you should use more TIE fighters, more Y-wings, and more RZ2 Awings if you want to make cut.

Next up will be pilot skill analysis. Here's a teaser: somehow there are way more i4s and lower i, but resistance keeps the i5 up there.

Going to cut, it turns out that the imperial TIEs should be i4/i5, and that resistance should use more i5 Awings. Rebels are everywhere.

I still cant believe that we are all losing this consistently to Rebel 5 Ship Init 2 lists.

Resistance bullying people I understand. Its just High Init Turrets and High Init Tanks with friends. Nothing new besides the small base rear arcs with boost.

But Rebels aren’t even damage spreading for the most part...I guess a couple extra modded shots per game from Leia or Vet Gunner Glue is all it takes. Y Wings are basically bad wookies.

Were smarter than this right?

How did we let this happen?

4 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

I still cant believe that we are all losing this consistently to Rebel 5 Ship Init 2 lists.

Resistance bullying people I understand. Its just High Init Turrets and High Init Tanks with friends. Nothing new besides the small base rear arcs with boost.

But Rebels aren’t even damage spreading for the most part...I guess a couple extra modded shots per game from Leia or Vet Gunner Glue is all it takes.

Were smarter than this right?

How did we let this happen?

We are not smarter than this.

Also, co-mingled in that 5 ship rebel is 4-ship names rebel, which sometimes DOES damage spread.

so you can just as easily be knocked out by that as well

So some of those columns are effectively mislabeled. We can probably say that almost all the /X1s are Vader with the odd Marek/ Ved Foslo snowflakes. Reaper is almost certainly a proxy for Vermeil.

Does the reduction in options begin to explain the high conversion rate of Imperials from swiss to cut, and the high percentage of TIE/LN? Imperials are roughly equivalent with Scum in terms of lists played, in 3rd &4th place. Fewer people are playing them, and have fewer options. So those playing them are being forced towards the "right" choices because some of the options are so junk that they don't even offer the illusion of potentially being half decent.

A lot of conjecture, obviously.

8 hours ago, Chumbalaya said:

God, the disrespect. I'm taking this 200 point Supernatural list because I (correctly) believe no one.

@phild0 already did that at the Top 50 invitational. We saw how that turned out.

2 minutes ago, Darth Seridur said:

Does the reduction in options begin to explain the high conversion rate of Imperials from swiss to cut, and the high percentage of TIE/LN? Imperials are roughly equivalent with Scum in terms of lists played, in 3rd &4th place. Fewer people are playing them, and have fewer options. So those playing them are being forced towards the "right" choices because some of the options are so junk that they don't even offer the illusion of potentially being half decent.

Maybe™?

Is there a case for saying the newer Xwing players (including myself) never played during the Jurassic period so are having to learn how to beat swarms for the first time. Hence, why swarms may also be doing so well, besides being a strong archetype. So we can potentially expect people to get better vs TIE swarms with more experience and their conversion rate to drop?

Again, wild speculation!

1 minute ago, Darth Seridur said:

Is there a case for saying the newer Xwing players (including myself) never played during the Jurassic period so are having to learn how to beat swarms for the first time. Hence, why swarms may also be doing so well, besides being a strong archetype. So we can potentially expect people to get better vs TIE swarms with more experience and their conversion rate to drop?

Again, wild speculation!

Yes - almost no one understand any of what to do against TIE swarms, other than broadly "don't joust"

But as we've seen, people are terrible at not-jousting. (Literally, im pretty sure people don't understand how to set up to not joust)

5 minutes ago, Darth Seridur said:

So some of those columns are effectively mislabeled. We can probably say that almost all the /X1s are Vader with the odd Marek/ Ved Foslo snowflakes. Reaper is almost certainly a proxy for Vermeil.

Does the reduction in options begin to explain the high conversion rate of Imperials from swiss to cut, and the high percentage of TIE/LN? Imperials are roughly equivalent with Scum in terms of lists played, in 3rd &4th place. Fewer people are playing them, and have fewer options. So those playing them are being forced towards the "right" choices because some of the options are so junk that they don't even offer the illusion of potentially being half decent.

A lot of conjecture, obviously.

2 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

Maybe™?

I fly TIE Salad lists and I can say that's been my experience in listbuilding HS Imperials. Some choices are so awful that, by default, you gravitate more towards what works. On that note, the TIE/LN's are all pretty decent fillers and/or have great abilities so it's hard to go wrong with them.

quick notes on not-jousting, generally:

don't stay together, come from multiple angles, (maybe) build a Wall™.

Addendum: just because you're starting diagonal to the swarm (or anything else) doesn't mean you aren't jousting. They have agency and can turn into the board.

2 minutes ago, impspy said:

I fly TIE Salad lists and I can say that's been my experience in listbuilding HS Imperials. Some choices are so awful that, by default, you gravitate more towards what works. On that note, the TIE/LN's are all pretty decent fillers and/or have great abilities so it's hard to go wrong with them.

That has been my experience as well. I heavily went through all the very limited good options for 4ship Vader/TIE Salad lists post Christmas, and again when the points changed. It was very clear the few things worth looking at, and to ignore all the rest.