For all the rebel whining, there are so many things that rebel players haven't actually tried meaningfully outside of a few (very successful) appearances:
K-Wings
Cassian (with or without Sense)
Corran
Fat Turrets
Selfless
That's just off the top of my head. Any of these could be redline good and we'd not have found out yet.
Yeah in general bad whiny players play stuff and then scream about how bad it is on the internet and then nobody else bothers even trying it.
All the people saying things are bad need to try more things. I tried two Rebel lists before finding the thing I'm happy with. I haven't even tried more than 2/3 of my ships in 2.0. Once.
Why is the sky not falling about how cheap K-Wings are? Probably because the bad whiners are sad TLT and perfect information Bombs are gone so they simply haven't tried them.
I feel like this counts towards the other factions as well. The whole world needs to git gud so much that it's not even funny.
15 minutes ago, Brunas said:For all the rebel whining, there are so many things that rebel players haven't actually tried meaningfully outside of a few (very successful) appearances:
K-Wings
Cassian (with or without Sense)
Corran
Fat Turrets
Selfless
That's just off the top of my head. Any of these could be redline good and we'd not have found out yet.
I've heard that our coruscant overlords are fiddling with a 4 K-wing list. That seems like spamming wookiees: Probably good but no one wants to shell the money out for the parts.
16 minutes ago, Brunas said:For all the rebel whining, there are so many things that rebel players haven't actually tried meaningfully outside of a few (very successful) appearances:
K-Wings
Cassian (with or without Sense)
Corran
Fat Turrets
Selfless
That's just off the top of my head. Any of these could be redline good and we'd not have found out yet.
I'm seriously wanting to try a U-wing with Cassian and Cloaking Device. Use Cassian to inform where to decloak (or if to decloak, and where to move, maybe), and coordinate other ships as appropriate.
2 minutes ago, jagsba said:I've heard that our coruscant overlords are fiddling with a 4 K-wing list. That seems like spamming wookiees: Probably good but no one wants to shell the money out for the parts.
All barrage + 2 with prox?
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4 minutes ago, Makaze said:All barrage + 2 with prox?
all barrage, sabine and a mix of protons and seismics to 200.
1 minute ago, jagsba said:all barrage, sabine and a mix of protons and seismics to 200.
Yay... Sabine...
Today I played with Whisper carrying Sloane, 3 bombers, and a reaper with death troopers. R3-A2 was inside of me all along, and now its awake and I'm afraid.
Folk locally have been on quad k-wings for a while. It’s a strong if not particularly interesting list. Most folk are steering clear of buying the gear to run it solo meaning only a few folk are actively doing it.
Other rebel stuff we’ve seen. Fat Dash with Roark/Han gunner or Bistan /perceptive and a strong wingman. Both doing well in GNK and casual events.
Also. Rebel Han with AP5 and Lando is ridiculous
Edited by Dreadai1 hour ago, Kieransi said:Yeah in general bad whiny players play stuff and then scream about how bad it is on the internet and then nobody else bothers even trying it.
All the people saying things are bad need to try more things. I tried two Rebel lists before finding the thing I'm happy with. I haven't even tried more than 2/3 of my ships in 2.0. Once.
Why is the sky not falling about how cheap K-Wings are? Probably because the bad whiners are sad TLT and perfect information Bombs are gone so they simply haven't tried them.
I feel like this counts towards the other factions as well. The whole world needs to git gud so much that it's not even funny.
Not only that, but there are some real sleeper cards out there. Saturation Salvo is terrifying, but people complain about its cost when fitting with safety nets. If you git gud, those safety nets are not needed. Case in point on nets, that Deathrain blog bloke refuses to spend 4 pt on plating because 1. He knows his deathrain tricks, 2. uses its absence to surprise people, and 3. knows punishers are not closers but control elements that can also pump dice. In fact, Red line does not scare me, especially when I move first for the threat of blocking/juking (plus, why so few AS redlines?). Deathrain at a low I4 with silly tricks and block strats? Scary stuff. But all balanced. Heck, I didn't know how good stealth device on an alpha was for his annoyance or a non-juke phantom could be until I flew that random squad in Salt Mines Classic. The game is so wide open and focused on flying with your upgrades, not your upgrades flying you.
20 minutes ago, Kaptin Krunch said:
That's a lot of architecture. Maybe cut out Cassian for just a bigger bid for Luke? Seems pretty good though honestly.
2 hours ago, Brunas said:For all the rebel whining, there are so many things that rebel players haven't actually tried meaningfully outside of a few (very successful) appearances:
K-Wings
Cassian (with or without Sense)
Corran
Fat Turrets
Selfless
That's just off the top of my head. Any of these could be redline good and we'd not have found out yet.
Corran can probably be great, but isn't it still an issue of price vs Luke?
Also, fat turrets or slim turrets to attempt to fit 2 ships in? I'm making attempts to have a Falcon + 2. With access to Sabine, should have a decent 3rd ship available. Just finding ship #3 is the issue.
Edited by RStanOne of the rebels unique perk, if not the only perk, they have compared to the other factions is the sheer number of "hit points" they can field.
Things like Uwings, Kwings and in particular Bwings are good.
I also think that Sabine, while funny and definitely playable, is overrated right now as is, to a lesser extent, Blount. I'm not saying they are bad, but they are ships to round up a list with, not something to start building upon.
Wedge is also overall better than Luke pounds to points right now: with crazy bids, Fenn Rau and Wedge himself, Luke is often not fully exploiting his supernatural potential.
Wedge (or Luke, but as I said I prefer Wedge right now) with a combination of 3 beefy generics (I'm particularly fond of B-wings since they tend to have an easier time staying in the fray compared than both Us and Ks, but all of those chassis are fine) is a really scary list to face.
Fat Han is good too, but way more unforgiving to play than just throwing to your opponent 24 to 27 hp of 3 red dice generics coupled with a skinny luke or a not so skinny wedge.
I would also love to play Corran since I really like the E-wing model but I can't get past how nonbo their linked action is
52 minutes ago, Sunitsa said:Wedge is also overall better than Luke pounds to points right now
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I get that Wedge is a nice tool against things like Boba and Whisper, but I just can't get on board with this assessment.
2 hours ago, Sunitsa said:Wedge is also overall better than Luke pounds to points right now: with crazy bids, Fenn Rau and Wedge himself, Luke is often not fully exploiting his supernatural potential.
Wedge is currently the 6th worst (69th place, dank) pilot that has ever made a cut (at tournaments we have data for, just under 400 lists) in second edition. B-Wings are currently packing a very strong 0% rate of making the cut.
EDIT: With that being said, that specific fact doesn't mean wedge is bad alone - but it should make everyone go "hmm...".
EDIT 2: Small sample size - but wedge is a LARGE portion of that same size. There are 81. EIGHTY ONE. Wedges in the sample size of 381. That's over 20% of ALL lists, not just rebel. It is 63.8% of all rebel lists.
Edited by Brunas9 minutes ago, Brunas said:There are 81. EIGHTY ONE. Wedges in the sample size of 381. That's over 20% of ALL lists, not just rebel. It is 63.8% of all rebel lists.
Frequency indicates quality.
12 minutes ago, Brunas said:Wedge is currently the 6th worst (69th place, dank) pilot that has ever made a cut (at tournaments we have data for, just under 400 lists) in second edition. B-Wings are currently packing a very strong 0% rate of making the cut.
EDIT: With that being said, that specific fact doesn't mean wedge is bad alone - but it should make everyone go "hmm...".
EDIT 2: Small sample size - but wedge is a LARGE portion of that same size. There are 81. EIGHTY ONE. Wedges in the sample size of 381. That's over 20% of ALL lists, not just rebel. It is 63.8% of all rebel lists.
Huh, guess the meta really is solved
11 minutes ago, Brunas said:Wedge is currently the 6th worst (69th place, dank) pilot that has ever made a cut (at tournaments we have data for, just under 400 lists) in second edition. B-Wings are currently packing a very strong 0% rate of making the cut.
EDIT: With that being said, that specific fact doesn't mean wedge is bad alone - but it should make everyone go "hmm...".
EDIT 2: Small sample size - but wedge is a LARGE portion of that same size. There are 81. EIGHTY ONE. Wedges in the sample size of 381. That's over 20% of ALL lists, not just rebel. It is 63.8% of all rebel lists.
The B-wing isn't that bad, surely?
I'll post some **** architecture below, but Naked Blues, and Trick Shot ColDet Braylen seem good. Braylen can dump out 4-5 dice double modded shots on his 2 rerollable greens for a mini boba in particular.
And as promised, Architecture.
In terms of B-wings, either of the two i4 with squad leader seems really solid on paper. It can move a squad away from a sheathepede or u-wing for coordinate, and both those pilots are perfectly happy being stressed.
7 hours ago, Brunas said:For all the rebel whining, there are so many things that rebel players haven't actually tried meaningfully outside of a few (very successful) appearances:
K-Wings
Cassian (with or without Sense)
Corran
Fat Turrets
Selfless
That's just off the top of my head. Any of these could be redline good and we'd not have found out yet.
I'll be honest I'm shocked this hasn't gotten more run.
https://raithos.github.io/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v5!s!7:-1,-1,-1,-1:;20:-1,97,-1,-1,-1,69,-1,-1:;20:-1,97,-1,-1,-1,69,-1,-1:;20:-1,97,-1,-1,-1,71,-1,-1:&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=
1 hour ago, Kelvan said:I'll be honest I'm shocked this hasn't gotten more run.
https://raithos.github.io/?f=Rebel Alliance&d=v5!s!7:-1,-1,-1,-1:;20:-1,97,-1,-1,-1,69,-1,-1:;20:-1,97,-1,-1,-1,69,-1,-1:;20:-1,97,-1,-1,-1,71,-1,-1:&sn=Unnamed Squadron&obs=
Needs moar sabine
9 hours ago, Brunas said:Wedge is currently the 6th worst (69th place, dank) pilot that has ever made a cut (at tournaments we have data for, just under 400 lists) in second edition. B-Wings are currently packing a very strong 0% rate of making the cut.
EDIT: With that being said, that specific fact doesn't mean wedge is bad alone - but it should make everyone go "hmm...".
EDIT 2: Small sample size - but wedge is a LARGE portion of that same size. There are 81. EIGHTY ONE. Wedges in the sample size of 381. That's over 20% of ALL lists, not just rebel. It is 63.8% of all rebel lists.
It's a very small sample size thought: excluding Coruscant we are talking about 300 entries in just 2 tournaments (SPanish Nats and Crossroads)
And the Spanish really love their Wedges: there were 64 out of 219 players at their nationals (compared to just 9 out of 81 at Crossroads).
Wedge was also in every rebel lists that made the cut (7 out of 32 for Spain, 0 rebels in Crossroads cut).
THere was also only 1 list across the two events that had at least one generic B-wing and yeah, it didn't make the cut.
If we apply the same analysis to Luke we see him being in 40 lists in Spain and 9 at the Crossroads with only 4 making the cut. It seems pretty much the same conversion rate Wedge had
If we take into consideration Coruscant we have 8 Wedge and 14 Luke in the fields with 3 Wedge and 5 Luke making to top28. Still 0 generic bwings.
So to summarize: out of 381 entries in 3 events, there were 63 Lukes, 81 Wedge and 1 Blue Squadron Pilot. In the cut it becomes 10 Wedge, 7 Luke and 0 BSP.
I am not good at maths, but doesn't that show that the conversion rate at those 3 events is basically the same for both Wedge and Luke (and that no one actually played bwing generics)?
Bear in mind that I still think the sample size is way too small so far to make any real use of those data, but there isn't anything yet that seems to confirm Wedge is actually bad.
If anything, those events just showed that the "obvious" rebel lists being a bit behind the other factions (and that's the scum have the higher cut conversion).
EDIT: I wasn't looking for Blade Squadron Veterans, there were 3 lists with a BSV with selfless and one with 4 with FCS and tractor beam who didn't make the cut in spain. Still no examples I was talking about in my previous post (wedge/luke + 3 Bs)
Edited by Sunitsa
Wedge would be better in a y-wing, given what people are using him for (a proton torpedo alpha carrier).
Prove me wrong.