Hyperspace is more balanced than extended and focuses more on the game's essentials. Great for competitive and should be the premier-level format aside from World's. But it is not the epitome of X Wing. Part of the magic of X Wing is the sheer size of the game and its flavoring of Legends and EU joining film in presenting the cartoonishly different ships of the Star Wars universe with their own feel. This inevitably includes the ability to list build to one's personal playstyle. There's something for everyone in X Wing. And since World's is an epic party that demonstrates this and is effectively the game's biggest advertising opportunity, it ought be in extended.

NEVERMIND. FOX ONLY, NO ITEMS, OR ELSE IT ISNT A PROPER SMASH TOURNAMENT.

6 hours ago, Hoarder of Garlic Bread said:

Great for competitive and should be the premier-level format for World

ftfy

8 hours ago, Hoarder of Garlic Bread said:

Hyperspace is more balanced than extended and focuses more on the game's essentials. Great for competitive and should be the premier-level format aside from World's. But it is not the epitome of X Wing. Part of the magic of X Wing is the sheer size of the game and its flavoring of Legends and EU joining film in presenting the cartoonishly different ships of the Star Wars universe with their own feel. This inevitably includes the ability to list build to one's personal playstyle. There's something for everyone in X Wing. And since World's is an epic party that demonstrates this and is effectively the game's biggest advertising opportunity, it ought be in extended.

NEVERMIND. FOX ONLY, NO ITEMS, OR ELSE IT ISNT A PROPER SMASH TOURNAMENT.

Eh, like in MTG is the most common format for large premier events Legacy or Standard? It's usually Standard because Legacy is a combo-cluster-f***-nightmare that takes a small fortune to actually play whereas Standard can be more carefully curated and balanced and is far more accessible to the average player both in terms of not having an overwhelming number of options and not being prohibitively expensive. *draws obvious parallel to X-Wing with a crayon*

2 hours ago, MasterShake2 said:

Eh, like in MTG is the most common format for large premier events Legacy or Standard? It's usually Standard because Legacy is a combo-cluster-f***-nightmare that takes a small fortune to actually play whereas Standard can be more carefully curated and balanced and is far more accessible to the average player both in terms of not having an overwhelming number of options and not being prohibitively expensive. *draws obvious parallel to X-Wing with a crayon*

Yeah, bringing up magic will not help the extended arguments...

“Star Wars fans are mostly sith, they only deal in absolutes”. -Dave Filoni

Feel like this applies to a lot of X-wing players (myself included) by extension as well.

Hyperspace vs Extended? Tribalism based on a false dichotomy

I played 3 extended and 1 hyperspace game today. The hyperspace was the one in a competitive context. The others were exclusively for fun. Why do people have to pick a team in every context and root for it while actively hating everything else? It's ok for extended to be goofy and a bit shite. It's still fun.

Obviously Worlds should be hyperspace, same for Continentals, Grand champs, and system opens. But it is important that there are organized events with extended, too. I would hope that a lot of the smaller events were extended, and those are probably the ones that are played a lot more. You can still bring and practice your hyperspace list. The worst problem is that of wasting time, as you're not practicing as efficiently as you could if those, too, were hyperspace.

But we need to compromise somewhere. "No xwing" is worse than extended. And wasting time while... yeah...

Hyperspace as a concept is better than extended. This hyperspace is busted because of oversight of some cards. I hope they learn from it.

1 hour ago, GreenDragoon said:

Why do people have to pick a team in every context and root for it while actively hating everything else? It's ok for extended to be goofy and a bit shite. It's still fun.

I think this is a situation where picking a team about what format Worlds should be is completely reasonable. People can have different preferences on this.

Extended is mostly fine as a casual format, though I do think its not even ideal for that given how unfun the games on average can be. I have no problem with two players opting into it or even having side events or a few larger events based on it. I do have a problem with new players not having access to content and forcing them into dealing with a much wider variety of uninteresting pieces which as a general rule reduce player agency more than the hyperspace card pool does.

Mostly I take issue with FFG making premier level tournaments like Worlds and Primes extended format only.

I believe that last year there was not enough vocal support of hyperspace when it was at its best which led to its Soontirefication and the death of the format.

Its alright if people prefer extended. I dont. I’ll still protect fort hyper. Always. Even if Boba runs riot over it. Its more fun. It has so much more long term sustainable potential.

I have played 30+ games against Supernatural Boba since hyperspace dropped. I still absolutely view hyperspace as the better format.

Because its what I prefer. And I hope FFG doesnt start to ignore that preference again for the majority of premier level events as they have since 2.0 was released until these past few months.

I think the current state of hyperspace is a very good argument for a small, targeted points change in February and August each year.

Nothing big, no sweeping changes. But is there anyone who thinks we need to wait until July to be sure that Slave 1 title is too cheap? Handcuffing themselves to exactly 2 points changes per year is just dumb.

What the eff. Worlds is the best of the best. and that means EVERYTHING combined with EVERYTHING. This bs about rampant boogeymen like Soontir in Extended is pure tripe. Soontir and 7b is nowhere near as overpowered as people make them out to be. And what else is there to be boogey'ing about?

Worlds should be Hyperspace

1 hour ago, Chumbalaya said:

Worlds should be Hyperspace

Primes to.

1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

Primes to.

Proper punctuation, too.

3 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Primes to.

Primes to hyperspace, I agree

What does a well flown Boba Fenn look like? I want to get some practice against it, but I don’t really know what it even should be doing.

I’ve heard keep them together, but that seems a little counter intuitive? I assume they bring clouds. Boba goes and hugs stuff and/or plays legion and doesn’t kill his last buddy for the rerolls?

13 minutes ago, AEIllingworth said:

What does a well flown Boba Fenn look like? I want to get some practice against it, but I don’t really know what it even should be doing.

I’ve heard keep them together, but that seems a little counter intuitive? I assume they bring clouds. Boba goes and hugs stuff and/or plays legion and doesn’t kill his last buddy for the rerolls?

It looks like not making unnecessary decisions.

29 minutes ago, AEIllingworth said:

What does a well flown Boba Fenn look like? I want to get some practice against it, but I don’t really know what it even should be doing.

I’ve heard keep them together, but that seems a little counter intuitive? I assume they bring clouds. Boba goes and hugs stuff and/or plays legion and doesn’t kill his last buddy for the rerolls?

Try to figure out what will give Boba the hardest time and trade Fenn for that. It doesn’t even necessarily need to be an even points exchange.

6 hours ago, gennataos said:

Try to figure out what will give Boba the hardest time and trade Fenn for that. It doesn’t even necessarily need to be an even points exchange.

This is exactly how I approach it. In most (if not all?) matchups, I look at the friends in any current Boba+ list purely as a delivery mechanism to bring Boba to a winnable end game.

It sounds pithy but I also think that this mindset helps you to avoid overreacting when Boba's friends die in this noble pursuit. Easier to think clearly and not risk getting tilted when losing Fenn (or your Skulls or whatever you're flying with Boba) feels like the list working as intended instead of you losing half our list. Also helps come up with logical deployment setups and early game strategies since it's a very simple rule of thumb to follow.

Identify the scary thing for Boba (often, but not always, it's the thing with a bigger orange number) and point Fenn at it. I think sometimes that's as complicated as the strategy needs to be with these lists.

On 3/7/2020 at 5:55 PM, GreenDragoon said:

I played 3 extended and 1 hyperspace game today. The hyperspace was the one in a competitive context. The others were exclusively for fun. Why do people have to pick a team in every context and root for it while actively hating everything else? It's ok for extended to be goofy and a bit shite. It's still fun.

Here's something.

Encouraging Extended to be a less competitive, silly, fun format is something that feels really right to me. Having that be the format to go wild, to relax after trying to figure something serious out in Hyperspace...

19 minutes ago, theBitterFig said:

Here's something.

Encouraging Extended to be a less competitive, silly, fun format is something that feels really right to me. Having that be the format to go wild, to relax after trying to figure something serious out in Hyperspace...

Not to mention that it could help prep for future hyperspace too. Say that they commit to rotating the format: Reapers out, Defenders in. YT 1300s out, VCX's in. Fang Fighters out, Starvipers in. N1's out, LAAT's in. Etc. Even in a poorly constructed rotation as the one suggested, the fact that they can turn one season's Hyperspace into extended and some of one season's extended into Hyperspace gives the best of both worlds. You get the more balanced format to try-hard in, but that format will continue its gradual sampling of the games many intriguing mechanics.

I'm fine with the regionals alternating between formats on the year. But tbh, given that they are more competitive than store champs, they should be Hyperspace and store champs extended.

On 3/7/2020 at 1:04 AM, Hoarder of Garlic Bread said:

Hyperspace is more balanced than extended and focuses more on the game's essentials. Great for competitive and should be the premier-level format aside from World's. But it is not the epitome of X Wing. Part of the magic of X Wing is the sheer size of the game and its flavoring of Legends and EU joining film in presenting the cartoonishly different ships of the Star Wars universe with their own feel. This inevitably includes the ability to list build to one's personal playstyle. There's something for everyone in X Wing. And since World's is an epic party that demonstrates this and is effectively the game's biggest advertising opportunity, it ought be in extended.

NEVERMIND. FOX ONLY, NO ITEMS, OR ELSE IT ISNT A PROPER SMASH TOURNAMENT.

How could you forget final destination you filthy casual

how useless is the hyperspace nantex, without ensnare?

Ship types, by # lists (# total instances)
1. Fang Fighter: 148 (270)
2. Firespray-class Patrol Craft: 142 (180)
3. T-65 X-wing: 128 (323)
4. TIE/vn Silencer: 114 (146)
5. TIE/sf Fighter: 106 (246)
6. TIE/fo Fighter: 95 (237)
7. Delta-7 Aethersprite: 80 (176)
8. T-70 X-wing: 74 (193)
9. Vulture-class Droid Fighter: 70 (414)
10. TIE/ba Interceptor: 68 (84)
[[ abridged... ]]
28. TIE Reaper: 16 (18)
29. Modified TIE/ln Fighter: 16 (58)
30. Resistance Transport: 14 (14)
31. Resistance Transport Pod: 9 (11)
32. Nantex-class Starfighter: 3 (11)

answer: who knows, out of 1200+ players only three have even tried

1 hour ago, svelok said:

only three have even tried

The correct answer.

Also, I ain't gonna be the one on the path less traveled here.

1 hour ago, svelok said:

how useless is the hyperspace nantex, without ensnare?

Ship types, by # lists (# total instances)
1. Fang Fighter: 148 (270)
2. Firespray-class Patrol Craft: 142 (180)
3. T-65 X-wing: 128 (323)
4. TIE/vn Silencer: 114 (146)
5. TIE/sf Fighter: 106 (246)
6. TIE/fo Fighter: 95 (237)
7. Delta-7 Aethersprite: 80 (176)
8. T-70 X-wing: 74 (193)
9. Vulture-class Droid Fighter: 70 (414)
10. TIE/ba Interceptor: 68 (84)
[[ abridged... ]]
28. TIE Reaper: 16 (18)
29. Modified TIE/ln Fighter: 16 (58)
30. Resistance Transport: 14 (14)
31. Resistance Transport Pod: 9 (11)
32. Nantex-class Starfighter: 3 (11)

answer: who knows, out of 1200+ players only three have even tried

At Saturday's Store Champ that I attended, 5 nantices were present, all 1 squad. They were either 2-2 or 1-3 IIRC.

But take that with a grain of salt. Only 1 quad fang, 1 Boba (with Frost), 1 Holo, and 1 Vader were present. On an unrelated note, both 5 A's (different tweaks) had to play each other in Round 4 of 4, and it was glorious! A ship was removed!

On 3/7/2020 at 11:55 PM, GreenDragoon said:

Why do people have to pick a team in every context and root for it while actively hating everything else

couldn't resist