Poe bad. A wings too good. Jack up optics by 1 (Kylo and stray Zetas aren't too hurt by this), but A's have to make tougher decisions. Drop Poe. Waaaaay down. Forget Kylo or Soontir: the difference between even Poe and Vonreg is comical. Sure, Poe doesn't die instantly from getting blocked, but he's significantly easier to block, especially compared to a Daredevil Vonreg.

Sure, Fenn's also expensive, but Fenn's worth the cost because his linked bar is what Poe would want out of one, has a great ability, and can tank if needed. That and for 3 pt, a lot of his shots get double modded. The power level of Poe is not that of Fenn, however you slice it. The fact that @gennataos does well with him is more a testament to him and less to Poe.

62 pt Poe when? Sure, I don't fly Resistance outside the occasional Vassal, but Soontir minus the force but gaining 7B can really spice a congealed meta.

4 hours ago, Hoarder of Garlic Bread said:

62 pt Poe when?

Hopefully, never. I could go for a 66 or perhaps a 65 point Poe however. That should make enough room to either give him or his companions a few more points for tools.

I would have said Fenn was overpriced by a point or so, too, his current dance partner are never gonna let that happen. Weirdly, I think Fenn is correctly costed for Hyperspace, but too expensive for Extended.

4 hours ago, Hoarder of Garlic Bread said:

The fact that @gennataos does well with him is more a testament to him and less to Poe.

Hah, I appreciate it, but I’m not sure what the definition of “does well” is. I’ve done nothing in an event over 50 people. I just think an I6 like that has a place.

According to ATC, Poe has a higher win percentage than any A-Wing. That’s also not a testament to Poe, more of an indictment to any calls for changes to RZ-2s.

Rank the below pilots:

• Kylo 76
• Crack TC Soontir 57
• Passive Vader 70
• Fearless Fenn Rau 71
• R4 BO Poe 72
• PT Vonreg 59

Poe is fine.

Poe is Aces working as intended.

Soontir +10, New Force Charge Rules, and Hyperspace Worlds 2021 requested.

14 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Rank the below pilots:

• Kylo 76
• Crack TC Soontir 57
• Passive Vader 70
• Fearless Fenn Rau 71
• R4 BO Poe 72
• PT Vonreg 59

Poe is fine.

Poe is Aces working as intended.

Soontir +10, New Force Charge Rules, and Hyperspace Worlds 2021 requested.

In a vacuum,

Kylo, Rau, Soontir, looking hard for alternatives, Vader, looking harder, Poe, seriously what are our other options, Vonreg.

So, the path forward for Hyperspace could be:

1. Keep the pool of ships/pilots/upgrades roughly the same by rotating in and out at approximately the same rate.
   • HS remains a smaller, intentionally limited, rotating format. HS and Extended exist side-by-side forever.
2. Gradually grow the pool by adding more ships and only removing "problem" pieces. (I'm looking at you Advanced Sensors)
   • HS eventually becomes the standard competitive format as most pilots/upgrades and all chassis are eventually added.

Which one do I prefer? Why not both?

• Jan-June is crazy town. Hyperspace is a new, limited selection of options with most of the meta-staples removed. Events are either goofy-new hyperspace or wild-west extended.
• July-December is serious. HS becomes a mostly complete format but with a "ban-list." All major events (including Worlds) are hyperspace.

That's my preferred method for 2021 and beyond.

1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

• Kylo 76 - 9000
• DAREDEVIL, TC Soontir 59- over 9000
• Passive Vader 70 - 9000
• Fearless Fenn Rau 71 - 9000
• R4 BO Poe 72 - under 9000
• PT Vonreg 59 - 90

1 hour ago, Boom Owl said:

Poe is fine.

I think that's a good summation. In previous Hyperspace and current Extended, he's probably not fine, but he is in current Hyperspace.

1 hour ago, gennataos said:

I think that's a good summation. In previous Hyperspace and current Extended, he's probably not fine, but he is in current Hyperspace.

I've been interested in Poe in current HS, but haven't found the motivation to put him on the table mostly because of lackluster previous outings and messing with other lists.

23 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:

I've been interested in Poe in current HS, but haven't found the motivation to put him on the table mostly because of lackluster previous outings and messing with other lists.

I started actually playing him specifically because HS exists.

Works pretty well against Fangs and Boba.

Its fun to try and figure out the CIS matchup.

42 minutes ago, MasterShake2 said:

I've been interested in Poe in current HS, but haven't found the motivation to put him on the table mostly because of lackluster previous outings and messing with other lists.

What @Boom Owl said. These are a few reasons why I think Poe might be more competitive in current Hyperspace than any previous format timeline:

• Fewer I6
• Less reason to bid
• Can now bring bigger, tougher guns
• Blocking matters more
• Less Force
• New good wingmates (Kaz, Zizi)

I don't know...I just know I win way more than I lose and that he's not running scared and getting bullied nearly as much as I used. The CIS swarm match-up is the only one which has felt unfavorable, but that's probably the case for most lists. /shrug

21 minutes ago, gennataos said:

What @Boom Owl said. These are a few reasons why I think Poe might be more competitive in current Hyperspace than any previous format timeline:

• Fewer I6
• Less reason to bid
• Can now bring bigger, tougher guns
• Blocking matters more
• Less Force
• New good wingmates (Kaz, Zizi)

I don't know...I just know I win way more than I lose and that he's not running scared and getting bullied nearly as much as I used. The CIS swarm match-up is the only one which has felt unfavorable, but that's probably the case for most lists. /shrug

So if you've got Poe, how do you deal with Boba without getting jumped on by Fenn? In my matchups if I don't keep the pressure on Fenn then he just bullies Poe because he almost always gets the bid. And then I have to bait and switch my wing mates onto and off of Boba.

1 minute ago, ccjacks3 said:

So if you've got Poe, how do you deal with Boba without getting jumped on by Fenn? In my matchups if I don't keep the pressure on Fenn then he just bullies Poe because he almost always gets the bid. And then I have to bait and switch my wing mates onto and off of Boba.

I don't know if I can be more comprehensive than saying "four tough 3-die guns, range control and engagement shaping".

2 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I don't know if I can be more comprehensive than saying "four tough 3-die guns, range control and engagement shaping".

I see. I've been using Poe with different friends. XXXX makes sense.

Just now, ccjacks3 said:

I see. I've been using Poe with different friends. XXXX makes sense.

Bastian is like Rivas, but in an X-wing!

Now that Crackshot has been purged from Hyperspace, Scorch is no longer in a spot of "Crack or nothing!" I think an argument can be made for Fanatical on him rn. Sure, he's not a TIE/vn, but...

• He's the cheapest he's ever been, at 33 pt base.
• A lot of the heavy-hitters have been removed, which means Fanatical can pull some weight.
  • This means that he can focus on engage, and if stripped the focus, mod his shot as usual with Fanatical Scorch before people realized that he dies the round the enemy looks at him funny.
  • After being stripped, has actions open to Evade or Target Lock, and in those edge-cases, barrel roll.
• It's fun to have both Proud Trad TIEs and a Fanatical TIE on the board at the same time.

Also, Malarus is good now in the current Hyperspace. Come @ me.

26 minutes ago, Hoarder of Garlic Bread said:

Bastian is like Rivas, but in an X-wing!

Sadly, Bastian doesn’t fit unless you drop R4 from Poe, which cheap Poe probably needs to have any hope of being useful.

2 hours ago, gennataos said:

Sadly, Bastian doesn’t fit unless you drop R4 from Poe, which cheap Poe probably needs to have any hope of being useful.

Kaz does:

Poe Dameron (68)
Heroic (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)

Blue Squadron Rookie (42)
Integrated S-Foils (0)

Blue Squadron Rookie (42)
Integrated S-Foils (0)

Kazuda Xiono (40)
R5 Astromech (4)
Total: 199

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

1 hour ago, wurms said:

Kaz does:

Poe Dameron (68)
Heroic (1)
R4 Astromech (2)
Integrated S-Foils (0)

Blue Squadron Rookie (42)
Integrated S-Foils (0)

Blue Squadron Rookie (42)
Integrated S-Foils (0)

Kazuda Xiono (40)
R5 Astromech (4)
Total: 199

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

Oh, I know.

He also currently takes Heroic, but might not by Adepticon once I figure out if any droid swarms take a bid.

On 2/17/2020 at 1:22 PM, Ablazoned said:

Poe

On 2/17/2020 at 8:24 AM, RStan said:

is

On 2/17/2020 at 2:03 PM, Darth Seridur said:

ok

We havent seen posts like this before

18 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

We havent seen posts like this before

Necessity Sithposting is the mother of invention.

15 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Rank the below pilots:

• Kylo 76
• Crack TC Soontir 57
• Passive Vader 70
• Fearless Fenn Rau 71
• R4 BO Poe 72
• PT Vonreg 59

Poe is fine.

Poe is Aces working as intended.

Soontir +10, New Force Charge Rules, and Hyperspace Worlds 2021 requested.

now I get why you're so worked up about aces. Its your weakness.

2 hours ago, Blail Blerg said:

now I get why you're so worked up about aces. Its your weakness.

Are you angry and now want to provoke him?

Why would you write something like this? Do you think you are genuinely helping?

If Coronavirus remains a problem nearing October--be it directly or in responses to it--World's should be cancelled. It would be merely a US invitation only event.