Just now, Boom Owl said:

Upgrades on a wookie or luke gunner on han? List building is hard.

Apparently so is getting Star Wars articles around May the 4th weekend 😠

1 hour ago, Sunitsa said:

I feel perversly vindicated that you guys are finally starting to see how boring is to play HS in a meta inflated by properly built rebel beef (which for me means Wedge/Cassian/Braylen + 1, possibily a generic B or Biggs, maaaaybe a Y but definitely not an A-wing or another X that's not Biggs).

It's not unbeatable and 2.0 have seen even more broken lists so far (Whisper Redline Soontir for example), but in the hyperspace context it's quite oppressive. Again, I think it's just the increased importance of dice variance that's making feel like list building power levels are closer than they actually are

Your metas were way more wholesome than mine since it took so long to catch up, for myself I can't wait for the point changes and the end of hyperspace season

15 minutes ago, RStan said:

Apparently so is getting Star Wars articles around May the 4th weekend 😠

iS x-wInG a DeAD gAmE?

I guess we can hope that the difference between liking Hyperspace and liking the idea of Hyperspace is going to be narrow. Right now, though, it's apparent that the margin for error small while the magnitude of any errors is exaggerated in a smaller format.

As annoying as it is, I feel like this is useful...

15 minutes ago, Brunas said:

As annoying as it is, I feel like this is useful...

Get it together FFG!

New Article Up: Why a Calendar Coincidence with a Film's Transcript Does not Necessarily Warrant Said Film to take Front Spotlight in a High-End Board Game Publisher Concerned with Multiple IP's and Gaming Systems

All the same, I would like an article.

Same, though given FFG's current OP woes, I'm not surprised they're strapped for press time

Defendersareactuallygoodetc.

Good to see some Vessery shenanigans, Lambda and Vader is a nice combo.

I continue to be frustrated by Ryad being more expensive than Rex. Love both of them for different reasons but can only ever find squad value with Rex.

I'd really, really like to see Ryad 2pt cheaper than Rex. Swapping their prices seems fair.

At the moment, that 2pt drop from Ryad just strengthens whatever squad I have in 2 ways, Rex is better and now I have FCS in there as well.

It just doesn't add up on the table with Ryad.

Forum Certification expired? Wave 4 Articles MIA? Change in favoring Extended over Hyperspace?

WHENA YOUSA TINKIN WESA IN TROUBLE?

10 minutes ago, RStan said:

Forum Certification expired? Wave 4 Articles MIA? Change in favoring Extended over Hyperspace?

WHENA YOUSA TINKIN WESA IN TROUBLE?

Looking at the FFG store listings for Wave 4 the Silencer, Decimator and Special Forces TIE fighter have their contents fully listed. That leaves 6 things without more than a cursory blurb. 2 rereleases (Falcon and B-Wing), 3 new releases (Hyena, N-1 and Resistance Transport) and the FFG template pack. I expect those to likely get articles. If they decide to do 1 a week then they have till the 24th to start releasing preview articles for them. I'm estimating this based on a probable Wave 4 release date sometime in the last week of June.

That said... Grrr.. Hating the wait.

16 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

Looking at the FFG store listings for Wave 4 the Silencer, Decimator and Special Forces TIE fighter have their contents fully listed.

Nice catch. Thanks for the heads up!

Update: Inq TIE has the listings as well.

4 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

• Every meta is temporary and lasts at most 6 months (point adjustments), more often 3 months (new waves), and likely just 6 weeks (also new waves). And there are shifts within the same constraints, too.

some random thoughts on meta churn

• individual new releases don't make much of a splash because they're 1 new ship in a pool of 60
• new releases are on pace to be faster overall than they were in 1.0, but they're more spread out through the year
• however, we can't playtest revealed content b/c no points
• the wave 3 hyperspace roster changes were significant to the meta, but mostly by virtue of making hyperspace just look like phantomless extended
• six months on same points feels like forever
• 2.0's greater emphasis on flying over card combos makes regional distinctions more significant (what's "best" matters less than "what the best people near you like to fly")

so

• having two formats is more interesting when the ships missing from hyperspace are ones that are meta-staples in extended
• point changes more often is nice, even if it's just to adjust only the top squads
• wave 4 when?
• wave 3 kit when?

also

• the site is decertified so nobody's here and it's oddly peaceful

55 minutes ago, svelok said:

however, we can't playtest revealed content b/c no points

I like everyone waiting until full release.

55 minutes ago, svelok said:

the wave 3 hyperspace roster changes were significant to the meta, but mostly by virtue of making hyperspace just look like phantomless extended

I don't know...Republic has made a splash and even CIS, to a lesser extent.

2 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I like everyone waiting until full release.

Yeah, I probably agree.

2 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I don't know...Republic has made a splash and even CIS, to a lesser extent.

I was speaking to the OT additions specifically, yeah, not the new releases. But that said...

8 minutes ago, gennataos said:

I like everyone waiting until full release.

I don't know...Republic has made a splash and even CIS, to a lesser extent.

Yes yes and yes.

I saw loads of Republic Swarm!Beef the other day. Falls in line with the amount of Rebel Beef going around. Seems like the easiest playstyle right now, so loads of people are bringing it. That’s why I’d assume Rebels are so highly represented in those graphs while falling towards the middle performance-wise.

Conversely, Empire And FO are performing extremely well compared to their representation. So it’s a harder playstyle that pays off when played well, so we only see relatively confident people bringing those for the most part?

46 minutes ago, svelok said:

But that said...

Nice graphs @svelok 🙂

I’m seeing the wisdom now when my mate sent me the First Order conversion kit as a hook after we were talking over a pint game in November and I was like, “I’m not buying in to this 2.0 stuff yet... I’ll simply pick the wrong one (wrong as in not fun). Plus, I don’t have the spare green.”

...plus, I never do like to go with the beef, err the flow, anyways.

...now where’s my tea?

1 hour ago, svelok said:

some random thoughts on meta churn

• individual new releases don't make much of a splash because they're 1 new ship in a pool of 60
• new releases are on pace to be faster overall than they were in 1.0, but they're more spread out through the year
• however, we can't playtest revealed content b/c no points
• the wave 3 hyperspace roster changes were significant to the meta, but mostly by virtue of making hyperspace just look like phantomless extended
• six months on same points feels like forever
• 2.0's greater emphasis on flying over card combos makes regional distinctions more significant (what's "best" matters less than "what the best people near you like to fly")

so

• having two formats is more interesting when the ships missing from hyperspace are ones that are meta-staples in extended
• point changes more often is nice, even if it's just to adjust only the top squads
• wave 4 when?
• wave 3 kit when?

There was a reddit thread asking about the "new meta" after missing out on a month (a month!) of game nights. Currently on the frontpage here, in the Leia-NPE thread, the OP took a 2-3month break besides a small 12person tournament. We must have vastly different lifes and gaming environments, because January to May, I've participated in 4 such small tournaments (10-14 people, 2 extended, 2 hyperspace) plus everything I could get on vassal. That's as tryhard as it gets, as I took every opportunity to play a game, for a total of 16 games over 4 months, plus roughly 30 on vassal. 16 games during 4 months.

6 months on same points feels forever? It's shorter than anyting we've known up until January.
The lack of playtesting before release is a blessing to me, because it got (so far) rid of the dreaded prerelease "X is DOA/OP" threads and likely contributed to more experimentation, which is anyway short with new releases every 3-4 months.

I would normally get into a (hopefully interesting) discussion,. But after a week-long break I realized that I don't want to try to persuade others anymore to be happier with the game than they apparently are. As mentioned earlier, to me the timeframes are just different, and I wasn't aware that it changes perspectives so drastically. A 3month break happens to me when I can't join two tournaments for life reasons, which happens at least once or twice a year. If that is too long then our realities are so vastly different that I just can't emphasize.

Maybe it was the Han discussion, I don't know. There is no way to say what I'm thinking without sounding arrogant, so maybe it is and I should better shut up.

If nobody cares that they are playing against an NPE, does it really matter?

11 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

If nobody cares that they are playing against an NPE, does it really matter?

Good thread @GreenDragoon

Nope, I’m thinking not.

I understand players not wanting the busted 1.0 stuff creeping in, those are solid points they make; but if it’s really expensive? Like Luke Gunner? I’m not worried much.

Heck, Triple Ups didn’t bother me either, though I can see green pilots could loose heart and feign away from our beautiful game; so I do get that nerf.

...the tea really is good today, you guys should have a spot.

12 minutes ago, clanofwolves said:

Nope, I’m thinking not.

Haha, I think it does and it should get changed.
But is it right to destroy their fun by trying to explain why they should feel miserable when playing against it? That's what I'm not sure about.

5 hours ago, player3010587 said:

New Article Up: Why a Calendar Coincidence with a Film's Transcript Does not Necessarily Warrant Said Film to take Front Spotlight in a High-End Board Game Publisher Concerned with Multiple IP's and Gaming Systems

All the same, I would like an article.

Arguably, hitting the last six-week broadcast window of Game of Thrones is much higher priority.

2 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

I took every opportunity to play a game, for a total of 16 games over 4 months, plus roughly 30 on vassal.

It’s posts like this that make me appreciate my local scene. Weekly leagues at 4 different shops. All of them structured to get two game in per night. I can only do one night a week, but I usually show up early enough to get a game or two in before league starts. 12-16 games is a typical *month* for me. More if there’s a weekend tourney of some kind to go to during the month!

4 hours ago, svelok said:

Yeah, I probably agree.

I was speaking to the OT additions specifically, yeah, not the new releases. But that said...

Despite high performance as evidence for the contrary, the masses will never believe in FO.

9 minutes ago, player3010587 said:

Despite high performance as evidence for the contrary, the masses will never believe in FO.

Interestingly, this statement is also likely true of the actual Star Wars universe.

7 minutes ago, Npmartian said:

Interestingly, this statement is also likely true of the actual Star Wars universe.

“End of the saga” is a misdirect and you know it. Get ready for ROTS 2 : lightsaber boogaloo