Heroic is the best, hands down. Because bad dice variance, say rolling 4 blank green dice, can have huge game swings. Resistance can be effectively immune to the depredations of bad dice variance. People who think Heroic is bad are genuinely foolish.

Selfless is very strong in 4&5 ship lists, arguably the strongest, because damage spreading can have huge impacts on half points/ keeping a ship alive another turn. Biggs as faction identity? Yeah.

Fearless can be ok. Great even on Fangs. Can be critical in those ‘need to go for the kill’ moments.

Ruthless? Which one of you jokers said Ruthless was anything above pure trash? Nearly completely unplayable, it needs jamming beam pricing.

The rest are ok to good, if situational/ tricky to trigger.

5 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

I would be curious about a parsing of the actual popularity of the 7 of them. I suspect if Fearless is in the top 3 it is because it is showing up barely more than the 4-5 below it.

got you babe

12 minutes ago, skotothalamos said:

According to a small sample from early October, Ruthless is at least as playable as Leia

Also, Selfless is the best faction talent. Play vs a Rebel Beef without Selfless until you're comfortable with the game, then add in one Selfless and play until you want to shoot yourself in the face.

I just moved and am acclimating to a new local meta, but I guess it’s probably true that in a beef meta, Selfless is probably the best faction talent. Fearless was maybe better in the ace meta we were in before I moved, but relatively worse now.

On a separate note, is anyone looking at Blackout as an anti-gas cloud counter? Every game in my new store is running 3-6 gas clouds, and people go right over them...

4 minutes ago, millertime059 said:

Ruthless? Which one of you jokers said Ruthless was anything above pure trash? Nearly completely unplayable, it needs jamming beam pricing.

There are worse upgrades. Ruthless just has a very narrow scope of where it's good (or at least usable). Basically, does your list have one or more (ideally cheap) TIE Reapers and do your damage-dealing ships lack a way to do anything with blank results? Try Ruthless (and only expect to see situations where you actually want to use it once every 2.5 games or so, which for 1 point is possibly fine).

7 minutes ago, millertime059 said:

Ruthless? Which one of you jokers said Ruthless was anything above pure trash? Nearly completely unplayable, it needs jamming beam pricing.

You value your minions far more than the Emperor does. 😋

1 minute ago, jagsba said:

	Cut	Swiss
Ruthless	1	2
Fearless	9	61
Selfless	28	78
Heroic	49	273
Fanatical	13	105
Dedicated	1	1
Treacherous	1	3

Just to be clear, is this list count or occurrence count?

by the way, i'm playing han right now. currently turn5 and it's ridiculous

7 minutes ago, jagsba said:

got you babe

	Cut	Swiss
Ruthless	1	2
Fearless	9	61
Selfless	28	78
Heroic	49	273
Fanatical	13	105
Dedicated	1	1
Treacherous	1	3

Dedicated 100% cut rate. PLZ nErF!

4 minutes ago, PaulRuddSays said:

Just to be clear, is this list count or occurrence count?

# of lists with each upgrade in it. Also, dedicated never made cut, so I got a code error I gotta parse out.

4 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

by the way, i'm playing han right now. currently turn5 and it's ridiculous

Looking forwards to the batt-rep

Just now, Hiemfire said:

Looking forwards to the batt-rep

we're playing with real time, so i don't have all the turns

Just now, GreenDragoon said:

we're playing with real time, so i don't have all the turns

Okay.

11 minutes ago, jagsba said:

	Cut	Swiss
Ruthless	1	2
Fearless	9	61
Selfless	28	78
Heroic	49	273
Fanatical	13	105
Dedicated	1	1
Treacherous	1	3

I'm super in for 0 point Ruthless. It's the rare card that's extremely thematic, a passive dice mod, and almost* completely free of bad-feels for the opponent, all at once.

Dedicated and Treacherous both seem overpriced, which is fine. If FFG overcosts passive defense mods at first every single time, I won't be too unhappy. Try 2 points on for size and see what happens? Although, related: Republic's extremely known and extremely weird I2/I3 Generic pricing scheme.

The other four, at least, don't seem in need of help.

* "This is the part where I use simultaneous fire to trigger Ruthless 4 times on a 1hp ship" feels just a little bad. But really - just a little.

25 minutes ago, Hiemfire said:

You value your minions far more than the Emperor does. 😋

Nah, it’s just my green dice do a good enough job of killing them that I don’t need to assist in any way!

(I have tried Ruthless in a few forms, but as often as not I’d take a damage, and my opponent would avoid the shot entirely anyhow)

9 minutes ago, svelok said:

Republic's extremely known and extremely weird I2/I3 Generic pricing scheme

That 4 point difference has me scratching my head too. I wonder if some one FFG side said "That clone fighter needs to go up a couple of points" and it was misapplied to the I3 Torrent instead of the bottom Init ARC.

4 hours ago, Boom Owl said:

Hi Thread!

How many points should heroic cost?

0. All of the faction identity upgrades should be 0.

4 minutes ago, Redd9 said:

0. All of the faction identity upgrades should be 0.

What is this a Twitter tournament?

aaaaand 200-0 victory

I'll write it up later today or tomorrow @Hiemfire

edit: for disclaimer, I had not played large base since January 2017 and then again once in Summer 2018. Not that Han cares

2 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

aaaaand 200-0 victory

I'll write it up later today or tomorrow @Hiemfire

Hyperspace or Extended?

46 minutes ago, jagsba said:

got you babe

	Cut	Swiss
Ruthless	1	2
Fearless	9	61
Selfless	28	78
Heroic	49	273
Fanatical	13	105
Dedicated	1	1
Treacherous	1	3

Were those ruthless on our boy 50% foslo?

Just now, Boom Owl said:

What is this a Twitter tournament?

Lol, I'm serious. Think about it, who's gonna be upset over inert Han, quadPhans or whatever other flavor of the month if everyone's too busy melting down over the sheer number of heroic, fearless and ruthless bullying going on! EPT generics become a a tastier looking choice over point efficient builds lower init generics! People would unironically fly the M3-A, E-Wing and First Order! It would be a new era, X-Wing 2.0.0.3!

1 minute ago, Biophysical said:

Hyperspace or Extended?

extended

against this

Maarek Stele (46)Fire-Control System (2)

“Whisper” (54)Juke (5)

“Duchess” (42)Predator (2)

Major Vermeil (49)

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

2 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

extended

against this

Maarek Stele (46)Fire-Control System (2)

“Whisper” (54)Juke (5)

“Duchess” (42)Predator (2)

Major Vermeil (49)

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

Ow, my condolences to your opponent.

it's so relaxed... just take the shots you get, reroll stuff a bazillion times and then use the force and focus and evade if you want to

11 minutes ago, catachanninja said:

Were those ruthless on our boy 50% foslo?

nah, my code's being ****y. Anything that didn't make a cut is showing up as having made it once. It doesn't look like there's an easy out, so I have to redo how I'm sorting. Or if some of you could make cuts with bad cards so I don't have to, that'd be great.