1 minute ago, jagsba said:

less ships means that they don't have to be gems to be playable. with a big ole' meta, people find the best stuff and use it. Sure people will find the best stuff faster if there's less stuff, but it also means that you might have to take a sub-optimal piece to get the effect you want. If you jam in a scum list right now, you pick a hwk over a G1-a. But if hwks weren't an option is it worth taking the g1a for jam? That's an interesting decision.

This isn't actually how it works. Having fewer ships available won't somehow increase the meta variety, it will only decrease the number of ships that aren't competitively viable that are available for play in the first place which is more sleight of hand than actual fact. While I understand that it might "feel" like the meta is more wide open it isn't.

Magic has already taught us that. In the current standard metagame, one deck accounts for over 11% of the meta, while in Modern the highest meta percentage is 6.14%. Modern, unless it's in a brief period where something is insanely broken has always had a much more diverse meta.

4 minutes ago, Micanthropyre said:

This isn't actually how it works. Having fewer ships available won't somehow increase the meta variety, it will only decrease the number of ships that aren't competitively viable that are available for play in the first place which is more sleight of hand than actual fact. While I understand that it might "feel" like the meta is more wide open it isn't.

Magic has already taught us that. In the current standard metagame, one deck accounts for over 11% of the meta, while in Modern the highest meta percentage is 6.14%. Modern, unless it's in a brief period where something is insanely broken has always had a much more diverse meta.

I don’t think I understand magic formats. I thought standard was bigger pool compared to modern? Then it sounds like you are arguing against yourself.

Are there any conflating variables of one format having more prizing or more competitive?

I personally like extended for now to play with all my stuff, but as soon as I get to go to an event with more than 15 people I want it more limited, and at that point I will get more fun out of the puzzle of constricting rules.

Just now, AEIllingworth said:

I don’t think I understand magic formats. I thought standard was bigger pool compared to modern? Then it sounds like you are arguing against yourself.

Are there any conflating variables of one format having more prizing or more competitive?

I personally like extended for now to play with all my stuff, but as soon as I get to go to an event with more than 15 people I want it more limited, and at that point I will get more fun out of the puzzle of constricting rules.

Standard is essentially the most recent 2 years of cards (there is rotational things where in October the older year is replaced with the newer year, so its actually the last 13 months) where Modern is every card printed since 2003 (with a banned list).

X-Wing prizes are cool but very limited in scope, and it won't be until the game is big enough (which I kind of doubt it ever will be) to offer regular cash prizes that prizes matter. It seems to me, and I'm really new to the competitive scene of X-Wing that prestige is worth a lot more here than physical prizes. If you meant Magic prizes, there isn't really a big difference but in order to be a Magic pro where playing Magic is how you make your living you need to be proficient in all of the formats, of which there are 4 main ones: Modern, Standard, Draft, and Sealed.

I like Extended because there is still a lot of space to work in. I imagine that in a year or two I'll prefer the moving target of the Hyperspace format more because there will be interesting things to tinker with when the format rotates.

In the end, I'll be really really happy that both formats exist.

6 minutes ago, Micanthropyre said:

This isn't actually how it works. Having fewer ships available won't somehow increase the meta variety, it will only decrease the number of ships that aren't competitively viable that are available for play in the first place which is more sleight of hand than actual fact. While I understand that it might "feel" like the meta is more wide open it isn't.

Magic has already taught us that. In the current standard metagame, one deck accounts for over 11% of the meta, while in Modern the highest meta percentage is 6.14%. Modern, unless it's in a brief period where something is insanely broken has always had a much more diverse meta.

I'm not saying that fewer ships makes the meta more varied. I'm saying a smaller card/ship pool is more interesting to me because I'm more likely to have to make concessions in list building.

5 minutes ago, Micanthropyre said:

I like Extended because there is still a lot of space to work in. I imagine that in a year or two I'll prefer the moving target of the Hyperspace format more because there will be interesting things to tinker with when the format rotates.

14 minutes ago, AEIllingworth said:

I personally like extended for now to play with all my stuff, but as soon as I get to go to an event with more than 15 people I want it more limited, and at that point I will get more fun out of the puzzle of constricting rules.

this is what I'm trying to say.

As long as I can point to a turn and say, "When I did X move instead of Y, that's when I won/lost the game," I'll be happy regardless of what format I'm playing. So far, 2.0 has given me that in almost all my games.

I'm really eager to see how they curate Hyperspace. I like more Limited formats: draft's my favorite CCG format, even though I tend to suck at reading signals. If there was an official draft format, I'd be in.

2 minutes ago, pheaver said:

As long as I can point to a turn and say, "When I did X move instead of Y, that's when I won/lost the game," I'll be happy regardless of what format I'm playing. So far, 2.0 has given me that in almost all my games.

I'm really eager to see how they curate Hyperspace. I like more Limited formats: draft's my favorite CCG format, even though I tend to suck at reading signals. If there was an official draft format, I'd be in.

on this topic, everyone should be playing the hearthstone tavern brawl this week:

https://hearthstone.gamepedia.com/Decks_Assemble!

Throwing together several rebel ships with repositioning: Catch me if you can!

Sabine Wren (47)Juke (4)Informant (5)
Jake Farrell (42)Predator (2)
Ten Numb (58)Advanced Sensors (8)
Kullbee Sperado (52)Predator (2)R4 Astromech (2)Servomotor S-foils (0)

Total: 199
View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

The only thing that could be added are E-wings (too expensive) and all the coordinate shenanigans. But I'm not sure whether there is a more mobile list.

21 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Throwing together several rebel ships with repositioning: Catch me if you can!

Sabine Wren (47)Juke (4)Informant (5)
Jake Farrell (42)Predator (2)
Ten Numb (58)Advanced Sensors (8)
Kullbee Sperado (52)Predator (2)R4 Astromech (2)Servomotor S-foils (0)

Total: 199
View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

The only thing that could be added are E-wings (too expensive) and all the coordinate shenanigans. But I'm not sure whether there is a more mobile list.

my old battle of AB list is pretty nimble too..

Jake - crackshot

Jan - title, Engine upgrade, Jyn

Sabine - Composure (gives more options believe it or not... like fail the pre-move roll/boost to get focus, take roll to evade after move, or just take evade to stack.)

Blount

AP5

It's been my killbox list, but admittedly it is pretty squishy.

I'm loving Jake. I've been bullying people with him and it's hilarious.

7 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

Sabine - Composure

That's clever as #&$!

2nd ed format has been such a drag for me partially because I'm prepping for OutRyder Cup and as one of the Imperial players on my team I have such limited options. I've been trying numerous lists over the past few weeks and I'm already just incredibly bored with the format. I can only fly Reapers so many times...

Extended is what feels like the real game to me because it has the ships I enjoy flying.

40 minutes ago, Brunas said:

That's clever as #&$!

I just got the recommendation of debris gambit which opens the dial. But I like composure slightly more because you always get focus evade even if the premove repo doesn't fit (or you don't want it to fit but still want double tokens...)

Just now, GreenDragoon said:

I just got the recommendation of debris gambit which opens the dial. But I like composure slightly more because you always get focus evade even if the premove repo doesn't fit (or you don't want it to fit but still want double tokens...)

Stealth device composure sabine is a little beast. Over-investment maybe but its still good.

sabine is so squishy, but I like the idea of stealth composure.... She's a feisty little ship.

it's too bad rebels lick donkey dicks and only got a handful of decent pieces, I keep trying to make them work but it's hard to complete with the pure efficiency of 34 point strikers, barrage bombers...the fangs, whisper, redline... han gunner kavil, boba... bah

2 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

sabine is so squishy, but I like the idea of stealth composure.... She's a feisty little ship.

it's too bad rebels lick donkey dicks and only got a handful of decent pieces, I keep trying to make them work but it's hard to complete with the pure efficiency of 34 point strikers, barrage bombers...the fangs, whisper, redline... han gunner kavil, boba... bah

Have you tried just being Wedge?

3 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Have you tried just being Wedge?

Based on the numbers each man, woman, and child living or dead has tried it at least 1.38 times

3 minutes ago, Boom Owl said:

Have you tried just being Wedge?

I've had wedge in a few squads. I never expect him to live past the second round of engagement so I keep him cheap with just crackshot. I haven't been disappointed. Always explodes.

but, if you say I should try being wedge... do I just steal all but 1 or 2 of my opponents green dice during setup?

3 minutes ago, Wiredin said:

sabine is so squishy, but I like the idea of stealth composure.... She's a feisty little ship.

it's too bad rebels lick donkey dicks and only got a handful of decent pieces, I keep trying to make them work but it's hard to complete with the pure efficiency of 34 point strikers, barrage bombers...the fangs, whisper, redline... han gunner kavil, boba... bah

I dunno man, there are a lot of mid-initiative ships that are really solid for their points. Ezra Tie, Cracken, Blount, Sabine, AP-5, Cassian and Norra (Y-Wing) are all sub 50 points. Arvel seemed pretty solid as well when I played him. I just think that the 1.0 way of playing Rebels is dead and they are now the Masters of Pocket Aces.

Just now, Micanthropyre said:

I dunno man, there are a lot of mid-initiative ships that are really solid for their points. Ezra Tie, Cracken, Blount, Sabine, AP-5, Cassian and Norra (Y-Wing) are all sub 50 points. Arvel seemed pretty solid as well when I played him. I just think that the 1.0 way of playing Rebels is dead and they are now the Masters of Pocket Aces.

all of which are squishy, aside from Cass and Norra. I mean look at your list, Blount, Sabine, AP5, I have 3 of those in a list, plus jake and Jan who are also really good and underappreciated. I love those five pilots and mush them together for greatness. Cassian can provide good tools to deal with sloan and 4LOM which has been very popular here, and I've had a real fun"wtf" list with Cassian I like too, just need to fine tune it.

Jake Farrell (40)
Crack Shot (1)
Proton Rockets (7)

Arvel Crynyd (36)
Intimidation (3)

Cassian Andor (47)
Advanced Sensors (8)
Jyn Erso (2)
Perceptive Copilot (10)

Total: 154

View in Yet Another Squad Builder 2.0

thats about as far as I've gotten with it. I've tried a few things in it, but lacks offensive firepower with Cassian being the heavy hitter.

1 hour ago, Wiredin said:

I'm loving Jake. I've been bullying people with him and it's hilarious. 

How do you build him?

I can see both Crackshot or Predator, and Prockets or empty missile

3 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

How do you build him?

I can see both Crackshot or Predator, and Prockets or empty missile

crackshot only, most of the time. If I can fit prockets I take it, but usually only if I also have AP5 so I can get double modded shots off. I don't like predator at all, crackshot seems infinitely more valuable.

The trick to bullying with jake is using him as a blocker until you can switch the engagement into your favor. To quote a local after I took Boba down from full to nothing... "Jake touched me inappropriately while Jan Ors videotaped it... twice"

Jan has been my end game "Ace" too. which is also funny. trickshot, Jyn, Title, Engine upgrade. white boost to arc dodge, trickshot to hide behind rocks with focus/evade. Someone gets in R1, JAM! The HWK is an awesome little tool box.

8 hours ago, catachanninja said:

Between this thread and talking to people in person, I'm pretty sure most of the anti 2e people are just imperial glue eaters who don't want thier trajectory sims, phantoms, and Sloane's taken away.

Am running a 2nd ed tournament at my club on Sunday. *Most* people were very enthusiastic to get away from all that stuff. And to try listbuilding with more restricted stuff.

A few said they weren't interested, but i suspect they are practicing for some of the major events (Nationals/ System Open) that we have in late Nov.

7 hours ago, jagsba said:

Fangs.

Both you and my teammate are now responsible for whatever happens to my 4 skull sqd pilots tomorrow!

7 hours ago, GreenDragoon said:

I know, right? I basically never played them, which is ridiculous because they are the interceptors/awings of scum.

There are two reasons:
1., I can't fly 5 in a list.
2. I only own two...

(the third reason is entirely irrational: I just don't like scum too much. It's like Protoss - sure it has its place, but who really wanted it? The interesting showdown is terran/zerg, or rebel/imperial)

Here's why.

30 minutes ago, GreenDragoon said:

Both you and my teammate are now responsible for whatever happens to my 4 skull sqd pilots tomorrow!

I like fearless teroch and 3 zealots over the skulls, but either way they're a blast to fly.