I burned up all my wife points on Gencon, and this weekend is my wedding anniversary. Thus, I cannot attend Crossroads despite it being just a 3 hour drive away.

In the end I went with the alpha strike route with rebels tests this game night and altough it's still early on the tests (I had only 3 games against questionable lists) it seems promising.

I played squad leader Braylen (Braylen was surprsing good), Prot torp Wedge e supnat protopr Luke.

I'm not sure if it is better than Luke/Wedge + 3 Bs thought but it felt pretty solid.

In my experience so far, Wedge is far better than it seemed at first glance: sure he dies like every non Luke Xs, but his ability is nuts in 2.0 and keep in check Whisper

3 hours ago, Sunitsa said:

In the end I went with the alpha strike route with rebels tests this game night and altough it's still early on the tests (I had only 3 games against questionable lists) it seems promising.

I played squad leader Braylen (Braylen was surprsing good), Prot torp Wedge e supnat protopr Luke.

I'm not sure if it is better than Luke/Wedge + 3 Bs thought but it felt pretty solid.

In my experience so far, Wedge is far better than it seemed at first glance: sure he dies like every non Luke Xs, but his ability is nuts in 2.0 and keep in check Whisper

I feel like Wedge's role in 2.0 is to take care of the highest priority threat. He's like a pseudo Biggs that hits back because ignoring him is probably a bad idea. I know that there were memes about Wedge being good, but I actually think that he is good if you understand how to use him. Supernatural Vader he ain't, but he strikes fear into Vader.

5 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

I feel like Wedge's role in 2.0 is to take care of the highest priority threat. He's like a pseudo Biggs that hits back because ignoring him is probably a bad idea. I know that there were memes about Wedge being good, but I actually think that he is good if you understand how to use him. Supernatural Vader he ain't, but he strikes fear into Vader.

Unless supernatural vader didn't bring a bid... I'm less sure how scared Vader truly is. He didn't want to be shot anyway, and unless it's proton torpedoes AND a massive misunderstanding of how to utilize supernatural, the primaries at R3 aren't that scary.

2 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

Unless supernatural vader didn't bring a bid... I'm less sure how scared Vader truly is. He didn't want to be shot anyway, and unless it's proton torpedoes AND a massive misunderstanding of how to utilize supernatural, the primaries at R3 aren't that scary.

Well I think that if you bringing Wedge, you probably have Luke and I would bet that on average that any squad with Luke will have a bigger bid than Vader since a bid is more important for i5s than i6s.

Just now, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

Well I think that if you bringing Wedge, you probably have Luke and I would bet that on average that any squad with Luke will have a bigger bid than Vader since a bid is more important for i5s than i6s.

Maybe™.

I think im more worried about Luke than Wedge though, as a vader player. Luke is still massively unpredictable.

11 hours ago, Dismal Scientist said:

I burned up all my wife points on Gencon, and this weekend is my wedding anniversary. Thus, I cannot attend Crossroads despite it being just a 3 hour drive away.

What if you and the wife took a nice leasurely 2 hour motorcycle ride over?

5 minutes ago, Tlfj200 said:

Maybe™.

I think im more worried about Luke than Wedge though, as a vader player. Luke is still massively unpredictable. 

True. But what if Luke and Wedge didn't fly in formation so that Vader didn't have great options to supernatural?

WHAT. IF.

2 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

True. But what if Luke and Wedge didn't fly in formation so that Vader didn't have great options to supernatural?

WHAT. IF.

Pretty sure it's in Wedge's contract that he gets to fly in formation.

Not has to. He gets to.

You're welcome.

1 hour ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

True. But what if Luke and Wedge didn't fly in formation so that Vader didn't have great options to supernatural?

WHAT. IF.

Even if wedge is shooting vader every turn (with mods), which probably shouldn't be happening, he does an average of one damage. That's a really long clock.

23 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Even if wedge is shooting vader every turn (with mods), which probably shouldn't be happening, he does an average of one damage. That's a really long clock.

I'm getting an average of 1.5 using the dmg calculator with a primary, unless you meant from range 3 with the extra defense die. A fully modded Wedge Torp has a ~50% chance to get a crit on Vader's hull with Vader having a focus/force for defense. Wedge creates a real threat space IMO, even with Vader dodging all over the place. Vader v. Wedge in a primary weapon showdown deal ~ the same amount of dmg to each other from the numbers I am seeing.

But I'm just looking at numbers and I don't have any gameplay to back it up.

Just now, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

I'm getting an average of 1.5 using the dmg calculator with a primary, unless you meant from range 3 with the extra defense die. A fully modded Wedge Torp has a ~50% chance to get a crit on Vader's hull with Vader having a focus/force for defense. Wedge creates a real threat space IMO, even with Vader dodging all over the place. Vader v. Wedge in a primary weapon showdown deal ~ the same amount of dmg to each other from the numbers I am seeing.

But I'm just looking at numbers and I don't have any gameplay to back it up.

vader's that get shot by wedge torpedos deserve it.

Also, where is Wedge getting a "fully modded" torpedo? That vader not only deserves, but probably enjoys it.

Cracken or Dutch could provide it.

5 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

I'm getting an average of 1.5 using the dmg calculator with a primary, unless you meant from range 3 with the extra defense die. A fully modded Wedge Torp has a ~50% chance to get a crit on Vader's hull with Vader having a focus/force for defense. Wedge creates a real threat space IMO, even with Vader dodging all over the place. Vader v. Wedge in a primary weapon showdown deal ~ the same amount of dmg to each other from the numbers I am seeing.

But I'm just looking at numbers and I don't have any gameplay to back it up.

Wedge into Vader - http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/multi/?d=ggAAAAAAAAA&a1=MQgAAAAAAAA ~1.0

Vader into Wedge - http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/multi/?d=ggAAAAAAAAA&a1=MwgAAAAABAA ~1.5

I just gave vader a focus because I'm lazy and the difference is mostly irrelevant. And yes, Vader gets a vote on a torpedo. Two player game and all - it's trivial to go where it's impossible to be torpedoed.

6 minutes ago, Brunas said:

And yes, Vader gets a vote on a torpedo. Two player game and all - it's trivial to go where it's impossible to be torpedoed.

Both players get a vote, but typically Vader is rigging the election...

Just now, LagJanson said:

Both players get a vote, but typically Vader is rigging the election...

I would argue that when I can see you have a range 2-3 torpedo, that requires a TL to fire, I get more of a vote than you do unless you're a supernatural carrier with boost + additional actions.

3 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Wedge into Vader - http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/multi/?d=ggAAAAAAAAA&a1=MQgAAAAAAAA ~1.0

Vader into Wedge - http://xwing.gateofstorms.net/2/multi/?d=ggAAAAAAAAA&a1=MwgAAAAABAA ~1.5

I just gave vader a focus because I'm lazy and the difference is mostly irrelevant. And yes, Vader gets a vote on a torpedo. Two player game and all - it's trivial to go where it's impossible to be torpedoed.

I was giving them both the same offensive mods, but I see your point in that it is unlikely Wedge will have both focus/lock since he doesn't have the same action efficiency.

Isn't it true that if Vader is going where it is impossible to be torpedoed/shot that it is likely he isn't shooting as well? Forcing Vader to bail sounds like a win-win to me.

Not trying to be obstinate here.

1 minute ago, Tlfj200 said:

I would argue that when I can see you have a range 2-3 torpedo, that requires a TL to fire, I get more of a vote than you do unless you're a supernatural carrier with boost + additional actions.

Fully agree!

1 minute ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

I was giving them both the same offensive mods, but I see your point in that it is unlikely Wedge will have both focus/lock since he doesn't have the same action efficiency.

Isn't it true that if Vader is going where it is impossible to be torpedoed/shot that it is likely he isn't shooting as well? Forcing Vader to bail sounds like a win-win to me.

Not trying to be obstinate here.

I mean, probably (but not always). [Maybe™]

But if you're just chasing vader, the theory is the rest of my list is coming in (same logic used to justify why wedge is so good: "im not in formation")

1 minute ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

Isn't it true that if Vader is going where it is impossible to be torpedoed/shot that it is likely he isn't shooting as well? Forcing Vader to bail sounds like a win-win to me.

Depends on scenarios.

• If it's just Wedge and Vader left, then Vader wins on time.
• If you're busy chasing Vader with your torpedo list, Vader's wingmen can scream loudly "We're helping!"
• If you ignore Vader, he circles you and does very bad things
• If your opponent just total chickens out and runs away with Vader, yeah, you win!

28 minutes ago, Brunas said:

Vader gets a vote on a torpedo. Two player game and all - it's trivial to go where it's impossible to be torpedoed.

Yeah. people can't deal with Vader. Vader's so good he was instrumental to the US sweep of Coruscant.

5 minutes ago, skotothalamos said:

Yeah. people can't deal with Vader. Vader's so good he was instrumental to the US sweep of Coruscant.

Hmm... weird. I do recall him being at the final table though.

But that wedge in the finals couldn't be dealt with. He murdered that whisper who moved before him.

And Jesper couldn't handle all of those torpedoes, and totally didn't lose because of game state errors.


Sarcasm aside - we're not saying Vader is the end-all; we're tempering the Wedge enthusiasm that he inherently COUNTERS stuff like vader. He doesn't.

And as noted, if vader is running all game, that's not inherently a bad thing: making vader continually choose to not be places is genuinely a pretty good strategy?

27 minutes ago, Scott Pilgrim2 said:

I was giving them both the same offensive mods, but I see your point in that it is unlikely Wedge will have both focus/lock since he doesn't have the same action efficiency.

Isn't it true that if Vader is going where it is impossible to be torpedoed/shot that it is likely he isn't shooting as well? Forcing Vader to bail sounds like a win-win to me.

Not trying to be obstinate here.

It depends? I'll draw a picture for what I mean in a minute

10 minutes ago, skotothalamos said:

Yeah. people can't deal with Vader. Vader's so good he was instrumental to the US sweep of Coruscant.

Is this the part where we have a US vs. World memefest?

Just now, gennataos said:

Is this the part where we have a US vs. World memefest?

Maybe™