On 7/17/2017 at 4:37 PM, Union said:

The big ones(CCGs) are expensive, but they're expensive because you typically end up with something MORE valuable when you open a pack.

This is incorrect.

21 hours ago, Union said:

Sorry, but GW isn't more expensive, you're kidding yourself. The main box for 40k costs less and has more figures. And while yes, GW does have some very expensive optional figures, most of these are large things that aren't even an option on IA. They also have much cheaper ones too, which IA doesn't have. If you want any ally packs in IA you're going to pay as much for 2 Jawas as you would for squad in GW. If you want 2 rancors you're either buying an entire extra box set or going to the secondary market, and if you're going to the secondary market, again GW will be cheaper.

GW charges premium prices as it seems you're aware. FF charges MORE. As I said they've chosen a smaller player base for a higher profit margin. To beat a dead horse with yet another example X-Wing is a FAR FAR more accessible game than 40k or WF and has the best license on the planet behind it, but it has a TINY player base in comparison, again, because you pay out the butt for a single figure.

Find me a squad for $20 USD retail. You can't really lump the entire cost of an extra box on one figure as a comparison and expect it to work. I see where you're going. Your CCG comment applies to a degree here! GW costs more, but the detail is greater and the component quality is higher. FFG costs less, but has lower quality (some games less than others), and really seems to stick the player with multiple purchases or purchases of potentially unwanted items to get cards or certain figures.

11 minutes ago, ellhaynes said:

Finally, x-wing is great fo our hobby, great mechanics, beautifully painted models at a very fair price - I really don't see the gripe here? If anything, the moan should be how you can have a prepainted x wing model and an unpainted jawa at almost the same price!

X-Wing has its share of problems, but I'd agree it was good for the hobby for the first 2-3 waves. The cross faction purchases required to get important upgrade cards is pretty bad for players who don't want to collect everything. Has FFG finally decided on a set of tournament rules or are they still in flux? Fair price is relative. You're spot on with the paint. Even with the difference in material quality and the wasted components (tokens are superfluous to anyone with more than a few expansions), X-wing figures appear to have better value than individual IA ones.

18 hours ago, Pollux85 said:

Just wild speculation, but has FFG ever announced a delay of a product after it was sent to the printer?

Xwing wave 8, excluding the TIE/fo and the T-70. I want to say it was on the boat or shipping when it got delayed

1 hour ago, ellhaynes said:

If anything, the moan should be how you can have a prepainted x wing model and an unpainted jawa at almost the same price!

An X-wing retails for $15 and the Jawa is $10; both are examples of the smallest and least expensive packs for their respective games. 66% isn't comparable. Of course, the value of the core sets in X-wing is hard to beat, but they only get you so far.

1 hour ago, qwertyuiop said:

The cross faction purchases required to get important upgrade cards is pretty bad for players who don't want to collect everything.

I tend to disagree. Most players play their list casually at first to find what works. They can proxy cards until they find the list they like then buy (or borrow) what they need when they take it to a tournament. It's not ideal, but I don't think it's that bad either.

2 hours ago, qwertyuiop said:

This is incorrect.

Find me a squad for $20 USD retail. You can't really lump the entire cost of an extra box on one figure as a comparison and expect it to work. I see where you're going.

Man, Gw sell squads of 10 miniatures at 35-40 dollars.

And there is no discussion about the quality and the details of Gw models.

IA miniatures are cool cause are based on SW universe, but are really poor as quality, especially when compared to others games.

Glad 5 Rings got another short story. No one else is waiting for anything, right?

Everyone, calm down - I just realized why they haven't released an article yet, and why they had to wait so long before and then release all the articles at once:

They only have one copy of the cards, and they sent that copy to the printer! So they can't post any articles until they get the cards back to take pictures of them!

Well that's just poor planning... Oh well, at least someone figured it out, lol.

OK, super serious question: Will the next article come out before or after this thread hits 1000 posts? (Currently 931)

7 minutes ago, VadersMarchKazoo said:

OK, super serious question: Will the next article come out before or after this thread hits 1000 posts? (Currently 931)

Better question: will my interest in being right hold long enough to say 'after' and then make 68 consecutive posts to make it happen?

(the answer's no)

Well, if I counted correctly, this should be the 933rd post.

I'd say it's pretty likely, at this point. Page 35 wasn't even a week ago, and we're on 38 now.

Maybe a better question: Will we get to 1,000 pages by then?

1 hour ago, subtrendy2 said:

Well, if I counted correctly, this should be the 933rd post.

I'd say it's pretty likely, at this point. Page 35 wasn't even a week ago, and we're on 38 now.

Maybe a better question: Will we get to 1,000 pages by then?

4 hours ago, Uninvited Guest said:

I tend to disagree. Most players scrubs play their list casually at first to find what works. They can proxy cards until they find the list they like then buy (or borrow) what they need when they take it to a tournament. It's not ideal, but I don't think it's that bad either.

Fixed

In all seriousness, though, I've only seen this behavior in newer or younger players.

Using card proxies or testing and tweaking lists before taking them to tournaments?

If you mean the former: for things that have already been released, yes. But that just makes sense. A vet knows what's out there and should need to do it unless new cards necessitate a new strategy involving old cards. That said, I've seen plenty of vets proxy cards prior to release. On YouTube and at LGSs. It's still using proxies to test lists.

If you mean the latter... you don't mean the latter. Show me a vet that does that and I'll show you a player that's never made it to the elimination rounds.

There are plenty of casual x-wing players who don't need to buy everything, for them the price of x-wing miniatures is great value.

I just bought 3x ships from the new wave for £6 each the day after they were released in the UK, because some competitive player bought the packs just for the upgrade cards and sold the rest straight away. Being willing to proxy saved me £27.

Well, a tournament update isn't the article that I would've wanted, but even getting some acknowledgment that the game is still at least alive is a nice enough birthday gift. Thanks, FFG.

16 minutes ago, subtrendy2 said:

Well, a tournament update isn't the article that I would've wanted, but even getting some acknowledgment that the game is still at least alive is a nice enough birthday gift. Thanks, FFG.

So close, and yet so far.

At least we know that imperial assault is real. Weeks ago i started to doubt that

Hey, we got a thing!

28 minutes ago, Stompburger said:

Hey, we got a thing!

so did everyone....i'm not classing this as news, I'm going to stay in my box of misery haha

I want to know the rules of the Sentry Droids so bad ...

36 minutes ago, DerBaer said:

I want to know the rules of the Sentry Droids so bad ...

Yeah, I think I'm most eager for the box's units article. Hero article and the A&V ones will be cool too, but these units seem really interesting. Curious how the riot troopers work, too, and what the deal with the clawdite is.

31 minutes ago, subtrendy2 said:

Yeah, I think I'm most eager for the box's units article. Hero article and the A&V ones will be cool too, but these units seem really interesting. Curious how the riot troopers work, too, and what the deal with the clawdite is.

https://imgur.com/a/2bBD8

you see some parts of the cards here

9 minutes ago, zwara81 said:

https://imgur.com/a/2bBD8

you see some parts of the cards here

Yeah, saw those earlier. They were very careful about obscuring just enough of the card to drive us mad, weren't they?

The clawdite looks so strange, with no surge abilities (in that form, at least) and its dice located where surge abilities would've gone.

52 minutes ago, subtrendy2 said:

Yeah, saw those earlier. They were very careful about obscuring just enough of the card to drive us mad, weren't they?

I just realized though that you can barely see a "-" in the second line of the Riot Troopers card. Which means that the Riot Troopers read something like:

"While attacking, you may apply -1DMG to the attack results. If you do, and the (defender suffers DMG from the attack/attack does not miss), after the attack resolves the defender becomes Stunned."

3 hours ago, DerBaer said:

I want to know the rules of the Sentry Droids so bad ...

Same. With the new skirmish map, I hope they have some reliable range.

1 hour ago, Stompburger said:

I just realized though that you can barely see a "-" in the second line of the Riot Troopers card. Which means that the Riot Troopers read something like:

"While attacking, you may apply -1DMG to the attack results. If you do, and the (defender suffers DMG from the attack/attack does not miss), after the attack resolves the defender becomes Stunned."

Yeah, definitely looks like the spikes from a damage symbol right after it, too. I think you might be on to something.

I was just thinking about this the other day, though, I'd be really surprised if it stunned an opponent, though. We're starting to get quite a bit of units that can stun without even needing any upgrades (RGs, Wampas, 000, Dengar). If we get too many, we're gonna start seeing lists made that can pretty reliably shut down half the Rebels' actions by bogging them down with stuns each turn, effectively breaking the game. To be honest, I'd be pretty surprised if we get any more non-unique units that can stun without an upgrade or agenda card.