1 hour ago, dominosfleet said:

:Yawn: I've been so busy with work the past 2 months I've barely been able to check the site/forum. Looks like I've missed next to nothing (yep, SSD)

Yea I am still holding out for a wave 8 announcement this month. XD

37 minutes ago, TallGiraffe said:

Yea I am still holding out for a wave 8 announcement this month. XD

I'm honestly done expecting anything from FFG. I'm glad to see the SSD announced, with the caveats that come with the glaring problems of that announcement, but it's a long walk back to me thinking the outlook for this game is healthy. Lol still playing it the most of anything tabletop wise though, I say as I continue my investment in kill team.

3 hours ago, dominosfleet said:

I'm honestly done expecting anything from FFG. I'm glad to see the SSD announced, with the caveats that come with the glaring problems of that announcement, but it's a long walk back to me thinking the outlook for this game is healthy. Lol still playing it the most of anything tabletop wise though, I say as I continue my investment in kill team.

I agree with this for the most part but I do think the game is mechanically healthy. It is better mechanically then any game I play. My issue is I have nowhere to invest in Armada at the moment. How can I support my favorite game if I have nothing I need to purchase. Yeah I try and help run tournaments and get others interested in the game but no money is being spent on it because there is nothing I need. Instead my money either goes to games like Legion or to third parties for accessories.

FFG, I really want to support this game! I want to buy expansions but the only expansions I need are the ones you have yet to release.

8 hours ago, Thrindal said:

I agree with this for the most part but I do think the game is mechanically healthy. It is better mechanically then any game I play. My issue is I have nowhere to invest in Armada at the moment. How can I support my favorite game if I have nothing I need to purchase. Yeah I try and help run tournaments and get others interested in the game but no money is being spent on it because there is nothing I need. Instead my money either goes to games like Legion or to third parties for accessories.

FFG, I really want to support this game! I want to buy expansions but the only expansions I need are the ones you have yet to release.

Are you sure you don't need a 7th VCX? Or a 6th Han? How about the famed Triple Pelta fleet? Are your maneuver tools in top condition? Are they!? Maybe you could do with a fourrh Point Defense Reroute?

Think outside the box, man!

Joking aside, I'm in a similar boat. I really want to buy new stuff, but there's only so much I can justify before my wallet gets a restraining order against me.

It's not that the game isn't healthy, it's just that there's no way to support it and with Legion and X-Wing coming out with new exciting things, it's easy to get lured away. I know, as a semi-casual player, I have been.

Was hoping for a wave 8 announcement by now. I hope Armada isn't a casualty of FFG being a corporate tolen now.

Add me to the list of those disappointed with FFG's handling of the game (not its rules/balance).
We have had a single wave released early this year.
No announcement until August on the next release.
No announced release for a rebel ship for the next year.
No support releases such as campaigns, mats, etc. offered this year.

Compared to:
X-wing 2.0 and continued release of articles and still had ships released.
Legion getting a monthly release schedule with often two items released.

I cannot fathom how a single wave release in the year, with little other communication, passes for support. There are so many opportunities for non-ship releases that could serve if there were supply problems from the manufacturer, too. A Wave 8 announcement, campaign box, etc. is, at this point, almost necessary to assuage the worries of much of the community here on the forum.

Updated cards for existing units would be welcome. It would require play testing but alt versions of existing ships ala Cymoon etc as well as new squadrons surely wouldn’t be too much to ask if new models aren’t likely?

1 hour ago, ISD Avenger said:

Updated cards for existing units would be welcome. It would require play testing but alt versions of existing ships ala Cymoon etc as well as new squadrons surely wouldn’t be too much to ask if new models aren’t likely?

In some ways they require more and more rigorous testing than creating something new... it’s more difficult from a design precept point...

14 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

In some ways they require more and more rigorous testing than creating something new... it’s more difficult from a design precept point...

But cheaper to produce and don't come with the problems of Chinese manufacture. Either way, there is a glitch somewhere OR they are slowing down Armada. They should inform the community if slowing it down and bypass the glitch if that is the case. If in China, do a campaign with cards.

I mean, your arguments are they plan this stuff years in advance and yet they don't look at production speed, etc.? Perhaps, but isn't that a problem in and of itself?

10 minutes ago, ryanabt said:

But cheaper to produce and don't come with the problems of Chinese manufacture. Either way, there is a glitch somewhere OR they are slowing down Armada. They should inform the community if slowing it down and bypass the glitch if that is the case. If in China, do a campaign with cards.

I mean, your arguments are they plan this stuff years in advance and yet they don't look at production speed, etc.? Perhaps, but isn't that a problem in and of itself?

I'm sure they do.

But even the Punches are done in China. And the Cards.

That's why the alt art cards have a different "texture" than the regular ones... The Regular ones have this frilly little linen texture that is part and parcel of the mass production... The "in house" Production are on regular card.

Even the Corellian Conflict - a whole Card based production piece - was Handled in China.

*Redacted*

Please don't purposefully misunderstand (Assumption on my part that taking me literally was intentional). I assume you know that when I mention Chinese manufacture it relates to the fairly well-established issue of their miniatures production capabilities there.

Can we move on without the personal insults and/or hyperbole?

i never said there wasn’t any issues. In fact I admitted there was.

I just don’t see why we should be down about it and focus on it...

To be fair, I think the community by and large gives fair dues to both good and bad aspects of FFG products & policies.

This all stems from FFGs very poor community relations. If armada reprints are stuck in a queue behind legion & xwing, just say so & give an eta. While disappointing, it’s better than silence.

4 hours ago, ISD Avenger said:

To be fair, I think the community by and large gives fair dues to both good and bad aspects of FFG products & policies.

This all stems from FFGs very poor community relations. If armada reprints are stuck in a queue behind legion & xwing, just say so & give an eta. While disappointing, it’s better than silence.

We’re you ever on the wrong end of GW’s community relations? FFG could be waaaaaaaaaay worse.

It is frustrating from a player perspective to know so little, but working in retail I can confirm that it’s best to tell customers as little as possible that isn’t set in stone yet, people take it REALLY badly when a company doesn’t deliver on a promise. Unrealistically so.

I’ve been blamed for ruining many Christmas es and one Eid due to shipping delays completely outside of anyone’s control.

11 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Can we move on without the personal insults and/or hyperbole?

i never said there wasn’t any issues. In fact I admitted there was.

I just don’t see why we should be down about it and focus on it...

Point taken. *EDIT* and apologies.

So we disagree on how to manage the problems that there are. That is a great jumping off point. I feel that perhaps if FFG recognizes a problem due to people on the forum noting it, they might change things. You disagree. We can meet there.

1 hour ago, Bakura83 said:

I’ve been blamed for ruining many Christmas es and one Eid due to shipping delays completely outside of anyone’s control.

But that’s different isn’t it. That sounds like over promising & under delivering. I just want FFG to state there are delays (if indeed there are) because of x/y/z. So at least we know.

At the moment, we know nothing.

2 hours ago, Bakura83 said:

We’re you ever on the wrong end of GW’s community relations? FFG could be waaaaaaaaaay worse.

It is frustrating from a player perspective to know so little, but working in retail I can confirm that it’s best to tell customers as little as possible that isn’t set in stone yet, people take it REALLY badly when a company doesn’t deliver on a promise. Unrealistically so.

I’ve been blamed for ruining many Christmas es and one Eid due to shipping delays completely outside of anyone’s control.

Saying "They could be worse " doesn't excuse their poor communication in general.

3 hours ago, ryanabt said:

I feel that perhaps if FFG recognizes a problem due to people on the forum noting it, they might change things.

It would turn their actual communication policy into the best one ever in the multiverse, probably.

If I was so dissapointed I would try this before:

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/contact/support/

They have a communication department after all.

I don't see that pointing out FFG's lack of communication can do any harm, but I don't have a lot of confidence it will change anything. I do also firmly believe that it is important to remember that things could be way worse. I would love to to see FFG give us a development timetable for everything already released. They are definitely upping production, so even if there are limits to the production process, we could see how it flows from conception to release. Idealy, FFG would post what is in the pipeline in the vaguest way possible

Example: SSD, in pre-print development.

Wave 8, in play testing & development.

Wave 9, in concept & approval.

No timeline, beyond its current position. No expected release dates, no promises, just a little information about what we have to look forward to. Seriously how many days could we eat up playing guess what's in the new waves, if we knew they were in the works? How much less would we hear Armada is dead.

2 hours ago, TallGiraffe said:

Saying "They could be worse " doesn't excuse their poor communication in general.

Is it poor though? Or just not meeting some of the communities unrealistic expectations?

36 minutes ago, cynanbloodbane said:

I don't see that pointing out FFG's lack of communication can do any harm, but I don't have a lot of confidence it will change anything. I do also firmly believe that it is important to remember that things could be way worse. I would love to to see FFG give us a development timetable for everything already released. They are definitely upping production, so even if there are limits to the production process, we could see how it flows from conception to release. Idealy, FFG would post what is in the pipeline in the vaguest way possible

Example: SSD, in pre-print development.

Wave 8, in play testing & development.

Wave 9, in concept & approval.

No timeline, beyond its current position. No expected release dates, no promises, just a little information about what we have to look forward to. Seriously how many days could we eat up playing guess what's in the new waves, if we knew they were in the works? How much less would we hear Armada is dead.

In that example wave 8 is already a promise.

9 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

In that example wave 8 is already a promise.

Only that it exists as a product in development.

If the pre release articles are the equivalent of full movie trailers, and the announcement article is the teaser trailer, what I suggest would be equivalent to a pre production listing on IMDB. No guarantee that it will happen, only that it is being developed.

41 minutes ago, Bakura83 said:

Is it poor though? Or just not meeting some of the communities unrealistic expectations?

Hyperspace. Report.

I mean, clearly there are issues:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2132737236988901&id=1374302642832368

( I would paste a transcript but my phone won’t let me copy post text from FB)

2 hours ago, cynanbloodbane said:

Only that it exists as a product in development.

If the pre release articles are the equivalent of full movie trailers, and the announcement article is the teaser trailer, what I suggest would be equivalent to a pre production listing on IMDB. No guarantee that it will happen, only that it is being developed.

While I agree it would be nice for the community, I'm not sure it's in FFG's best interest. Let me try to explain before bringing out the torches and pitchforks:

I have no idea what the development process is at FFG, but I can't imagine they have more than a wave or 2 planned in advance for Armada. That's not a lot of information to give out and in the end, we'd end up in the same state we're in now. I'm not sure many people really understand the design process (any design process, really). It's an iterative process. Sometimes it takes longer than you expected, sometimes you go down paths that lead nowhere. I have the feeling that just telling the bare minimum, "Wave N is in playtesting" would not have that much of a positive effect on the community. People would wonder what's taking so long. Is FFG lying to us? Maybe Wave IX isn't really in playtesting. What if Armada is dead, would they really tell us?!?!?! ANY information FFG puts out is in a way binding to them. I don't believe there is such a thing as non-binding information. Communities have a tendancy to jump on any and all information and treat it as absolute, unwavering truth... which isn't really compatible with a design process that is essentially trial-and-error.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not defending FFG's lack of communication, but I'm not sure giving out actual, solid information really serves them well.

With that said, it would be mighty nice of them to have community reps that read/post on the forums, maybe even comment on what they've playtested for balance. I would love to have more insight on what they tried to make the SSD work and why it took so long to get right. I'm actually interesting in the why. It would also be nice to know what issues they are concerned with (they don't even have to elaborate on what they're trying), sort of a "State of the Game" thing. That would fuel speculation without actually binding them in any way. I think. I'm waiting for someone to point out how I'm contradicting myself there.

46 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

I mean, clearly there are issues:

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2132737236988901&id=1374302642832368

( I would paste a transcript but my phone won’t let me copy post text from FB)

Well, that's plain inexcusable...