Maybe all of this Legion content is designed to create mass Armada hysteria.

The conspiracy deepens.

12 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

Hey guys, you’re never going to believe this. Guess who just got a new article. I can hardly believe it myself.

Star Wars Legion.

it has been ages since FFG talked about them. I feel so bad for that game. It’s been so long since they had their own article. How it’s fans manage to hold on with so little support is inspiring.

Whaaaaaaat? A skirmish game oddly called Legion will be released? Glad that they published today an article about that. Nearly had missed that piece of information. Now I am convinced that I will buy that game...

Regardless, the rampant sarcasm does not paint us in a good light.

We as a community are better than this.

maybe?

12 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Regardless, the rampant sarcasm does not paint us in a good light.

We as a community are better than this.

maybe?

It’s just people blowing off steam after a rather disappointing and frustrating week.

We all know Legion will do great despite any *****ing or moaning we may level at it. We also know that Wave 8 will announce before we know it and any Ill-will will be blown away with it. For now it’s therapeutic to throw a little shade at the new comer. I think FFG can be understanding of that.

On 3/15/2018 at 8:27 AM, Drasnighta said:

And Assault Frigate to my knowledge.

Edit: I also have no record of an MC80 reprint, but I am also not convinced that means I didn’t just miss one.

Do you think they made a crapload, or do they have a reprint shedule that they don't tell us about unless their totally out of stock? To me their reprint shedule dosent seem to make much sense *unless* it's all a pretty show to keep people in the loop, so they don't just go crazy waiting for a restock when they've outstripped their projections in a good way.

19 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Regardless, the rampant sarcasm does not paint us in a good light.

We as a community are better than this.

maybe?

Come on, we all know Star Wars fans are the worst... no one expects better of us...HONEST....

It’s true, we’re whiners by nature. It’s also just a little annoying to see all this effort towards a new game. But FFG just showed the Q1 (.5) kit, and we’re nowhere near as news-starved as we were a couple months ago. I’m pretty happy with where we are.

5 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

It’s true, we’re whiners by nature. It’s also just a little annoying to see all this effort towards a new game. But FFG just showed the Q1 (.5) kit, and we’re nowhere near as news-starved as we were a couple months ago. I’m pretty happy with where we are.

They did the same thing for Runewars and L5R

3 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Regardless, the rampant sarcasm does not paint us in a good light.

We as a community are better than this.

maybe?

We have literally NEVER been better than this in the year+ I've been playing this game/active on the forums. We're bitter, sarcastic people and it's FANTASTIC. @Cubanboy is the only one of us willing to truly look on the bright side of life and he seems to have abandoned us.

Someone link that panic Kermit meme please.

On a bit of a positive note I don't think the forums are anywhere near as angry as they were in Nov. This seems like the "fun" level of bitter/sarcastic as opposed to Nov where people legit seemed Pis*ed that FFG was giving their new baby all the attention. Here's hoping that kid turns out to be the straight A student like they want and not the kid that eats glue like I suspect it will.

3 hours ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

We all know Legion will do great despite any *****ing or moaning we may level at it.

I really don't "know" this. I played 40k for over a decade, i know those people that are still playing it. They'll put up with a LOT of nonsense from GW (that company is a monster) and I just don't see a lot of them quitting a game that's in a spot that THE PEOPLE PLAYING IT actually LIKE. 8th edition is popular, I've even considered going back once my faction book is released (this month from the look of it, just got leaked) but there isn't enough nostalgia in those grapes so I'll probably stay away aside from maybe picking up the book.

All of this leads to my main point, it's far more likely that FFG is going to pull people from it's own games like IA and Armada than it is they'll pull from GW. Maybe they'll get some WMH people but most of those people that were going to bail jumped ship for guild ball this past year and I don't anticipate them jumping two systems within a year, not when so much money is reinvested. FFG seems to have this weird issue with eating itself and that really worries me about future games they make.

2 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

I really don't "know" this. I played 40k for over a decade, i know those people that are still playing it. They'll put up with a LOT of nonsense from GW (that company is a monster) and I just don't see a lot of them quitting a game that's in a spot that THE PEOPLE PLAYING IT actually LIKE. 8th edition is popular, I've even considered going back once my factor book is released (this month from the look of it, just got leaked) but there isn't enough nostalgia in those grapes so I'll probably stay away aside from maybe picking up the book.

All of this leads to my main point, it's far more likely that FFG is going to pull people from it's own games like IA and Armada than it is they'll pull from GW. Maybe they'll get some WMH people but most of those people that were going to bail jumped ship for guild ball this past year and I don't anticipate them jumping two systems within a year, not when so much money is reinvested. FFG seems to have this weird issue with eating itself and that really worries me about future games they make.

Why would Legion pull people away from Armada? I can see IA, but Space Combat and ground combat are two different itches. I don’t see Legion scratchingbthem both.

9 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

Why would Legion pull people away from Armada? I can see IA, but Space Combat and ground combat are two different itches. I don’t see Legion scratchingbthem both.

two reasons that it's going to pull some people away

Star Wars nerds man. I play this game because Pew Pew Shooty wargaming combat(it's a solid system, it has problems *CoughFlotillasCough* but there really aren't many and those issues aren't bad whatsoever compared to other games) not because I'm "that" much of a SW fan (I'm still prob top 10% in SW trivia, which makes me sad, but we both know those people that play this game because "space triangles" and "IT'S A TRAP!!!") and I suspect we'll lose some people to "I GET TO PLAY AS VADER!!!!" or "LUKE IS TAKING THE FIELD!!!" and even "I'M USING THE GUY THAT HAD BINOCULARS IN THE ATAT!!!"

Second: The hobbists. Think of all of the people that LOVE their newly painted, generally uglier, ISD and how much they love it. Those people will also LOVE the idea of painting their own, entirely pink and purple, regiment of stormtroopers. That's fine, I'm entertained by hello kitty space marines too, but interest pulls them from our table and it hurts my heart to see them go no matter how much my eyes will appreciate it

I'm not saying the sky is falling, but this idea that it'll pull from GW more than other FFG games is pretty unrealistic. Those people (GW fans) have sold children to be involved in that game, they aren't coming over to this one .

5 minutes ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

Why would Legion pull people away from Armada? I can see IA, but Space Combat and ground combat are two different itches. I don’t see Legion scratchingbthem both.

Because, to some extent, 'Star Wars' is 'Star Wars'. If you are buying into X-Wing/Armada/IA/Legion because they are Star Wars, rather than any inherent strength of the game engine, then a new one coming out is by definition going to dilute the sales of the others. The individual gamer's budget is finite, after all, and spending money divided four ways has less to go around for each, than when divided three ways.

Generally, I do agree that IA seems the most likely direct cannibalization of sales - but in the end of the day, that's a dungeon crawler and not a 'skirmish combat game' in the way that X-Wing, Armada, and Legion are. There are all but certainly some who have previously focused their spend on X-Wing or Armada because they wanted a miniature skirmish game in the Star Wars universe, and those were the only real options, but they'd have preferred...something with more terrain; something using the ground forces; something everyone has to build and paint themselves; etc... And now they've got the game for that, which means their spending will change.

2 minutes ago, xanderf said:

Because, to some extent, 'Star Wars' is 'Star Wars'. If you are buying into X-Wing/Armada/IA/Legion because they are Star Wars, rather than any inherent strength of the game engine, then a new one coming out is by definition going to dilute the sales of the others. The individual gamer's budget is finite, after all, and spending money divided four ways has less to go around for each, than when divided three ways.

Generally, I do agree that IA seems the most likely direct cannibalization of sales - but in the end of the day, that's a dungeon crawler and not a 'skirmish combat game' in the way that X-Wing, Armada, and Legion are. There are all but certainly some who have previously focused their spend on X-Wing or Armada because they wanted a miniature skirmish game in the Star Wars universe, and those were the only real options, but they'd have preferred...something with more terrain; something using the ground forces; something everyone has to build and paint themselves; etc... And now they've got the game for that, which means their spending will change.

Xan said what i was saying more eloquently and nicer (I'm a bitter ****, these forums felt like home to me when i joined).

Ahh, hadn’t thought about it like that. I guess I just assumed most people played this because of the Starships, and not because it’s also a good miniatures game.

10 hours ago, dominosfleet said:

Xan said what i was saying more eloquently and nicer (I'm a bitter ****, these forums felt like home to me when i joined).

What happened?

22 hours ago, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

Why would Legion pull people away from Armada? I can see IA, but Space Combat and ground combat are two different itches. I don’t see Legion scratchingbthem both.

I’m all in on legion, built terrain and a game table. Looks like they took what they learned from the other games they’ve done and truly released a masterpiece with Legion. I’m not quitting armada but Legion may very well surpass even x wing in sales.

41 minutes ago, ninclouse2000 said:

I’m all in on legion, built terrain and a game table. Looks like they took what they learned from the other games they’ve done and truly released a masterpiece with Legion. I’m not quitting armada but Legion may very well surpass even x wing in sales.

I doubt that as it isn't pre painted.

On 3/17/2018 at 5:43 PM, TallGiraffe said:

I doubt that as it isn't pre painted.

I'll agree with you until ffg releases an ezpaint kit for each faction. Also I don't see why everyone is so scared of painting, unpainted minis saves us money.

On 3/16/2018 at 6:30 PM, GrandAdmiralCrunch said:

Why would Legion pull people away from Armada? I can see IA, but Space Combat and ground combat are two different itches. I don’t see Legion scratchingbthem both.

I'm jumping ship. The biggest thing for me is my group. They all jumped onto Legion and dropped Armada. So I gotta go with the crowd. But Legion also has a lot of things going for it.

1. Quicker play time
2. Faster movement and faster engagement means less time maneuvering to get an edge
3. Surge system allows for cool abilities and a subtle variation in units
4. New deployment/objectives. I get tired of always playing against MW, HSA, SC. Legion shakes it up and allows both players to pick the battle field.
5. New win conditions. It will be nice to break away from the "score more points by throwing more dice"
6. Activation game has been fixed. Bidding every round prevents last/first and activation padding won't smother the game
7. OP support and monthly releases

I feel like Legion is taking all the good aspects from Armada's system and made them better, while also getting rid of the bad things.

1 hour ago, Noosh said:

unpainted minis saves us money.

but costs us time*, effort & energy

*which could be spent gaming OR keeping the other half happy

45 minutes ago, Undeadguy said:

I'm jumping ship.

Farewell and good gaming!

1 hour ago, Undeadguy said:

I'm jumping ship. The biggest thing for me is my group. They all jumped onto Legion and dropped Armada. So I gotta go with the crowd. But Legion also has a lot of things going for it.

1. Quicker play time
2. Faster movement and faster engagement means less time maneuvering to get an edge
3. Surge system allows for cool abilities and a subtle variation in units
4. New deployment/objectives. I get tired of always playing against MW, HSA, SC. Legion shakes it up and allows both players to pick the battle field.
5. New win conditions. It will be nice to break away from the "score more points by throwing more dice"
6. Activation game has been fixed. Bidding every round prevents last/first and activation padding won't smother the game
7. OP support and monthly releases

I feel like Legion is taking all the good aspects from Armada's system and made them better, while also getting rid of the bad things.

I suppose a wallet can only go so far, even for FFG.

I'm sure Legion will be a success but I'm sticking with its story driven older brother IA (and Armada).

Just now, Gallanteer said:

I suppose a wallet can only go so far, even for FFG.

I'm sure Legion will be a success but I'm sticking with its story driven older brother IA (and Armada).

I could support both games if I wanted. I've already invested like $1500 into Armada. But I've kind of hit a wall with my fleet building. I'm not a big fan of these large ship lists that consistently pick off small ships, and I really enjoy playing MSU.

I want to see an FAQ and wave 8 before I go hard into Armada again. Legion will hold me over until that time

Undeadguy,

I've only played one Legion game but i don't see games being much, if any, shorter than Armada. 2 hours seems about right for a 800 Legion game.

The Legion terrain/cover rules are currently making my head spin. Unless I'm reading something wrong, the rules for cover are contradictory or there's a lot of "just make up your own rules" nonsense that will keep me from playing Legion regularly. The terrain/cover rules seem to be both over-engineered and vague, the worst of both worlds.