Its a work in progress

Is it about time for some educated guesses on when this wave will hit shelves?

Last speculations I heard were mid to end of Q1, the release dates just became relevant to me as earlier today I preordered one of each factions ships (the ISD is only for target practice and I may be in need of assistance if i dont manage to hit a target that large).

Absolute Worst case Scenario of "At the Printer" + "On the Boat" + "Shipping now" is 4+8+2 weeks.

Which would be **** close to not even being Q1 anymore.

So the assumption one or more of those would be abridged somewhat, somehow... "Shipping Now" can go down to 1-ish week or so, but its fairly strongly 2... Shipping now is the greatest variable. Their own targets are 4-6 weeks in that area, and the French/Spanish are already reporting to be in that zone, so again, perhaps the English listing is still behind.

"At the Printer" generally doesn't last too long - and honestly, if the delay was printer space, there's plenty of it now that the core and original releases of Legion are already on the boat.

So, worst case scenario.

March 29th Release Date. Given the worst of scenarios I can envisage.

If the English Board is the true measure, then it should update to "On the Boat" by the End of January.

If the English Board is not true, and the French/Spanish ones are, then we could expect it... Well, within 2-4 weeks, really.

And now that I've gone and spelt out the fact that it might be April before we get them... I don't want to hear anyone's negative crap about it - there's still articles to come, and that's what we're at about here at the core... That's what the title says, anyway...

So we still expect really, 2 articles... One to dictate the cards in the Profundity pack, and one to finish off the Chimaera pack and hopefully explain those Kom'rk squadrons in the pack.

None of those will be out until at least the 2nd of January, I believe. As FFG is closed. At that point, bets are off.

Interestingly, it seems the News Mschine is on automatic pilot.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/12/26/cairo-dashur-and-the-threat-of-nephren-ka/

4 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Interestingly, it seems the News Mschine is on automatic pilot.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/12/26/cairo-dashur-and-the-threat-of-nephren-ka/

D*** Russian robots!

24 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Interestingly, it seems the News Mschine is on automatic pilot.

https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2017/12/26/cairo-dashur-and-the-threat-of-nephren-ka/

They're answering questions on Twitter too, I think they're just back in the office through Friday.

20 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Absolute Worst case Scenario of "At the Printer" + "On the Boat" + "Shipping now" is 4+8+2 weeks.

Which would be **** close to not even being Q1 anymore.

So the assumption one or more of those would be abridged somewhat, somehow... "Shipping Now" can go down to 1-ish week or so, but its fairly strongly 2... Shipping now is the greatest variable. Their own targets are 4-6 weeks in that area, and the French/Spanish are already reporting to be in that zone, so again, perhaps the English listing is still behind.

"At the Printer" generally doesn't last too long - and honestly, if the delay was printer space, there's plenty of it now that the core and original releases of Legion are already on the boat.

So, worst case scenario.

March 29th Release Date. Given the worst of scenarios I can envisage.

If the English Board is the true measure, then it should update to "On the Boat" by the End of January.

If the English Board is not true, and the French/Spanish ones are, then we could expect it... Well, within 2-4 weeks, really.

And now that I've gone and spelt out the fact that it might be April before we get them... I don't want to hear anyone's negative crap about it - there's still articles to come, and that's what we're at about here at the core... That's what the title says, anyway...

So we still expect really, 2 articles... One to dictate the cards in the Profundity pack, and one to finish off the Chimaera pack and hopefully explain those Kom'rk squadrons in the pack.

None of those will be out until at least the 2nd of January, I believe. As FFG is closed. At that point, bets are off.

Still makes me wonder about production issues. They announced that TI game mat a bit over a month ago and it hasn't even popped up on the upcoming page yet. Legion threw a weird wrench in all of their stuff, I'm curious how long they try to keep all of these plates spinning before things start to fall apart.

16 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

Still makes me wonder about production issues. They announced that TI game mat a bit over a month ago and it hasn't even popped up on the upcoming page yet. Legion threw a weird wrench in all of their stuff, I'm curious how long they try to keep all of these plates spinning before things start to fall apart.

Well, Game Mats are produced In-House generally, rather than elsehwere, which has lead to other issues with them.

3 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Well, Game Mats are produced In-House generally, rather than elsehwere, which has lead to other issues with them.

lol ya, finding two ffg mats that are the same size for armada is fun. I'd kill for them to start producing 6x3 mats so it's slightly less frustrating to figure out how to deal with the half inch difference between mats.

10 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

lol ya, finding two ffg mats that are the same size for armada is fun. I'd kill for them to start producing 6x3 mats so it's slightly less frustrating to figure out how to deal with the half inch difference between mats.

But Armada is a dead game. Why would they make more merch for it?

Just now, The Jabbawookie said:

But Armada is a dead game. Why would they make more merch for it?

such dead

much over

Still more alive than IA is going to be. That awesome app isn't going to save what legion is going to do to it.

30 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

such dead

much over

Still more alive than IA is going to be. That awesome app isn't going to save what legion is going to do to it.

And yet Descent has outlasted Runewars.

It's actually a different audience. Those that just want tournaments will always follow the latest shiny new toy. Those of us that play casually and enjoy campaign mode will probably keep playing IA. And there are more people that play these games for fun (which is the whole point) than ever compete in tournaments. This doesn't mean either type of player is right or wrong, just different.

22 minutes ago, Gallanteer said:

And yet Descent has outlasted Runewars.

It's actually a different audience. Those that just want tournaments will always follow the latest shiny new toy. Those of us that play casually and enjoy campaign mode will probably keep playing IA. And there are more people that play these games for fun (which is the whole point) than ever compete in tournaments. This doesn't mean either type of player is right or wrong, just different.

Good luck. It just seems to be in direct competition with what the game was for a couple years, now trying to change IA into an RPG and make Legion the tactical strategy IA was originally. That may not be a death blow directly but the idea that that won't deal a serious blow to the game isn't being honest to the order of operations things happened.

Descent started as a board game, and the app just improved that boardgame. Runewars was a board game, was made into a tactical strategy, and seems to be a mess in both now, which sounds a bit closer to what's happening with IA.

3 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

Good luck. It just seems to be in direct competition with what the game was for a couple years, now trying to change IA into an RPG and make Legion the tactical strategy IA was originally. That may not be a death blow directly but the idea that that won't deal a serious blow to the game isn't being honest to the order of operations things happened.

Descent started as a board game, and the app just improved that boardgame. Runewars was a board game, was made into a tactical strategy, and seems to be a mess in both now, which sounds a bit closer to what's happening with IA.

Actually ia started as a dungeon crawler board game

Imperial Assault seems to be more orientated to players who prefer a boardgame which you could learn to play relatively well in around a week.

Legion seems to be more orientated to the Games Workshop customers who got fed up with shelling out £30 for an additional psyker (prices may vary, been a while since I checked).

So far on the forums the main issue seems to be that the figures are slightly different scales.

I personally doubt one will kill the other and cannibalise it's player base, though people may drift away from IA if Legion is the Warhammer 40k style game it's trying to be.

1 hour ago, dominosfleet said:

such dead

much over

Armada isn't dead!

It's just hibernating untill spring.

56 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

Good luck. It just seems to be in direct competition with what the game was for a couple years, now trying to change IA into an RPG and make Legion the tactical strategy IA was originally. That may not be a death blow directly but the idea that that won't deal a serious blow to the game isn't being honest to the order of operations things happened.

Descent started as a board game, and the app just improved that boardgame. Runewars was a board game, was made into a tactical strategy, and seems to be a mess in both now, which sounds a bit closer to what's happening with IA.

In reality, IA was a campaign game first (something Squads...sorry, Legion will never be) and a competitive skirimish game second, not the other way around. And its that, that most people play.

Legion is clearly meant to be a 40k killer. Good luck with that, 40k is in a bit of a resurgance after several rubbish rules revisions. GW still suffers from changing rulesets every 4 years and everything being overpriced. I remember when 10 Marines only cost £10.

5 minutes ago, Gallanteer said:

In reality, IA was a campaign game first (something Squads...sorry, Legion will never be) and a competitive skirimish game second, not the other way around. And its that, that most people play.

Legion is clearly meant to be a 40k killer. Good luck with that, 40k is in a bit of a resurgance after several rubbish rules revisions. GW still suffers from changing rulesets every 4 years and everything being overpriced. I remember when 10 Marines only cost £10.

When i started playing 40k in 2003 a land raider( main battle tank for Space Marines) cost 30 dollars. When i quit in 2014(with the launch of 7th edition) the same land raider cost 100 dollars(us). There are aspects of the game i enjoy (the universe the system is set in) but the aspects that drive me nuts (cost, over abundance of space marine players, insane power creep) finally killed it for me when they released a new rule set less than a year after releasing the previous rule set(60 dollar books each). I glanced at 8th with mild interest but the way they did the non codex books first released just to jump near instantly to codex books convinced me they're still the same generally evil company they were before.

57 minutes ago, dominosfleet said:

When i started playing 40k in 2003 a land raider( main battle tank for Space Marines) cost 30 dollars. When i quit in 2014(with the launch of 7th edition) the same land raider cost 100 dollars(us). There are aspects of the game i enjoy (the universe the system is set in) but the aspects that drive me nuts (cost, over abundance of space marine players, insane power creep) finally killed it for me when they released a new rule set less than a year after releasing the previous rule set(60 dollar books each). I glanced at 8th with mild interest but the way they did the non codex books first released just to jump near instantly to codex books convinced me they're still the same generally evil company they were before.

I started playing 40k (originally Rogue Trader) in 1991 and gave up a few years back.

I think Armada has just had a hiccup recently but must embrace the sequel trilogy if it is to continue much longer.

Imperial Assault still has a couple of years left in it and hopefully another expansion box or two, bit will slow down as resources are moved to other areas.

That stated, I thought Eldritch had come to an end now MoM v2 and Arkham card game were out, but there is a new big box expansion on the way, so I wouldn't write off IA and definately not Armada yet.

12 minutes ago, Gallanteer said:

I started playing 40k (originally Rogue Trader) in 1991 and gave up a few years back.

I think Armada has just had a hiccup recently but must embrace the sequel trilogy if it is to continue much longer.

Imperial Assault still has a couple of years left in it and hopefully another expansion box or two, bit will slow down as resources are moved to other areas.

That stated, I thought Eldritch had come to an end now MoM v2 and Arkham card game were out, but there is a new big box expansion on the way, so I wouldn't write off IA and definately not Armada yet.

Oh i was just kidding about armada, i think it's fine(for now, like you said, it needs to expand beyond the galactic civil war in one direction or the other).

On 12/22/2017 at 2:27 PM, TallGiraffe said:

@Alpha Xg1 they have more than one?

Hrm...sure?

But only a Frigate and an Assault Cruiser?

According to Wookieepedia that is.

I got the basic tute done, at least.

Hope its helpful to someone.

Is it folly that I’m still hoping we will get an article today. Come on ffg feed my curiosity

It's been two weeks since the last Legion preview, and four weeks since the one before that.

So, my powers of prediction tell me there will be a preview of combat in Legion today.