Listen, as the squadrons guy, we don't need more right now.

4 hours ago, Green Knight said:

How about some Aces/Veterans packs?

Not just the squadrons, but ships too.

The Nebulon could use some love...

Yavaris is one of the strongest Rebel titles though.

6 minutes ago, geek19 said:

Listen, as the squadrons guy, we don't need more right now.

Listen, as the guy who's only been able to play TWO games of Armada (That's including the Learn to Play scenario!) since its release we DO need more right now!

Sure we don't have to eat it but at least, give us our cake! Hehehe.

1 hour ago, TallGiraffe said:

Yavaris is one of the strongest Rebel titles though.

A title not a ship make.

I dont want to look at the neb-B anymore and go " man, what a useless ship, unless its Yavaris"

I do get your point, the yavaris builds of Neb-B's ARE powerful, but every other build seems ... lacking.

In saying that ^, Neb B with slaved turrets, salvation and intel officer makes a efficient, if costly long range sniper ?

Re: Runewars

I bought a core.

Brought it home, opened it up.

I saw I needed super glue.

I put super glue on my shopping list.

I bought more armada and board games.

I haven't touched the Runewars and decided to sell my core as soon as I heard about Legion.

25 minutes ago, DrakonLord said:

In saying that ^, Neb B with slaved turrets, salvation and intel officer makes a efficient, if costly long range sniper ?

I mean to be fair, I rarely (barring @Ardaedhel-style shenanigans) see an MC30 without a title. Or an HMC80 or Gladiator or ISD. Yet I don't see many people complaining about how bad those ships are except that titles save them. I don't understand why this is a particular sticking point with the Nebulon-B. Yavaris and Salvation are both quality titles and create specialized Nebulons that generally punch above their weight class.

30 minutes ago, Snipafist said:

I mean to be fair, I rarely (barring @Ardaedhel-style shenanigans) see an MC30 without a title. Or an HMC80 or Gladiator or ISD. Yet I don't see many people complaining about how bad those ships are except that titles save them. I don't understand why this is a particular sticking point with the Nebulon-B. Yavaris and Salvation are both quality titles and create specialized Nebulons that generally punch above their weight class.

The sticking point for me is you can run all of those ships without a title and while not as powerful, they can still work.

Run a neb-b without its title and it dies as soon as a shot hits its absolutely gigantic 1 shield side arcs.

While im not as.... passionate as some about this topic, i can see where theyre comming from, as until recently every time i flew a neb it died (practice made perfect in my case, flying nebs takes skill and practice)

I wont spend anymore time arguing over a pointless topic, since its up to ffg anyway.

23 minutes ago, DrakonLord said:

The sticking point for me is you can run all of those ships without a title and while not as powerful, they can still work.

Run a neb-b without its title and it dies as soon as a shot hits its absolutely gigantic 1 shield side arcs.

While im not as.... passionate as some about this topic, i can see where theyre comming from, as until recently every time i flew a neb it died (practice made perfect in my case, flying nebs takes skill and practice)

I wont spend anymore time arguing over a pointless topic, since its up to ffg anyway.

I mean, its a different angled arquitens, and no one complains about their lack of decent titles. Salvation IS fieldable cheap, with QBTs and maybe SFO under Leia. It WORKS, but the real problem with the Neb isn't the survivability, it's the fact that sometimes those red dice just suck and there's nothing you can do about it.

I mean, heck, a Neb under Leia with QBTs is 56 points, and if you Con Fire with it, it'll hit like a TRUCK. There's your red dice fixer, and it could theoretically take out a lot more than you'd think.

I also bolded the part of your statement that I want to focus on. If it takes some skill to do it, does that make the ship bad or does it make it slightly difficult to master?

21 minutes ago, geek19 said:

I mean, its a different angled arquitens, and no one complains about their lack of decent titles. Salvation IS fieldable cheap, with QBTs and maybe SFO under Leia. It WORKS, but the real problem with the Neb isn't the survivability, it's the fact that sometimes those red dice just suck and there's nothing you can do about it.

I mean, heck, a Neb under Leia with QBTs is 56 points, and if you Con Fire with it, it'll hit like a TRUCK. There's your red dice fixer, and it could theoretically take out a lot more than you'd think.

I also bolded the part of your statement that I want to focus on. If it takes some skill to do it, does that make the ship bad or does it make it slightly difficult to master?

It takes some skill to fly and like all the ships is difficult to master.

In my opinion it is both, its a hard to master flying with 2 glaring weaknesses (its one shielded side arcs)

Its still a good ship that i use (dual braces), but for me personally it needs a redirect to be "pick up and play" worthy.

I will also state for the record that for me its not the dice, for me IT IS the survivability, ive accepted red dice for what they are ages ago lol. I suppose i see those 1 shielded sides and go "right, so its a more expensive hammer head with a amazing title"

Thats my opinion, im not a confrontational person and i suck (badly) at arguing my point or expressing myself so i aint going to continue the topic

On a branching topic, @geek19 have you ever run 4 neb-bs kitted out for long range engagements? Its quite effective with fighter and bomber support as long as you arent flanked

18 minutes ago, DrakonLord said:

In my opinion it is both, its a hard to master flying with 2 glaring weaknesses (its one shielded side arcs)

Its still a good ship that i use (dual braces), but for me personally it needs a redirect to be "pick up and play" worthy.

I will also state for the record that for me its not the dice, for me IT IS the survivability, ive accepted red dice for what they are ages ago lol. I suppose i see those 1 shielded sides and go "right, so its a more expensive hammer head with a amazing title"

Thats my opinion, im not a confrontational person and i suck (badly) at arguing my point or expressing myself so i aint going to continue the topic

Ha, not trying to be confrontational either (calm discussions on the Internet? In this thread? At this time of day located entirely in your kitchen?) so I'll agree with you that the survivability turned me off of them for a while. The double brace tokens actually help them a lot.... provided you can keep regenerating or healing or moving around a shield in that side arc.

I address it more in my article for them, but the short answer is that you need 2X damage to hurt the nebulon (since it'll just brace it down to X). Which means that side shield is effectively a 2 non braced. If i take 4 damage and brace it down to 2, thats 1 and 1. Leia and an Engineering order will completely heal that, and that's phenomenal. Staying FAR AWAY (ie where your Evade token works) is how I tend to keep them alive. Quad Battery Turrets on the Salvation are great because it gives you that extra dice you want with every side great, AND it keeps you driving slowly so you keep the Neb alive longer. Garm and Engineering tokens go great with them, Hondo throwing an Engineering token out the airlock, etc etc. Peltas and Shields to Max are also SUPER helpful, too.

25 minutes ago, DrakonLord said:

On a branching topic, @geek19 have you ever run 4 neb-bs kitted out for long range engagements? Its quite effective with fighter and bomber support as long as you arent flanked

I have not, but that seems completely up my alley with insane lists.... hmm, more Leia plans to file away haha.

1 minute ago, geek19 said:

Ha, not trying to be confrontational either (calm discussions on the Internet? In this thread? At this time of day located entirely in your kitchen?) so I'll agree with you that the survivability turned me off of them for a while. The double brace tokens actually help them a lot.... provided you can keep regenerating or healing or moving around a shield in that side arc.

I address it more in my article for them, but the short answer is that you need 2X damage to hurt the nebulon (since it'll just brace it down to X). Which means that side shield is effectively a 2 non braced. If i take 4 damage and brace it down to 2, thats 1 and 1. Leia and an Engineering order will completely heal that, and that's phenomenal. Staying FAR AWAY (ie where your Evade token works) is how I tend to keep them alive. Quad Battery Turrets on the Salvation are great because it gives you that extra dice you want with every side great, AND it keeps you driving slowly so you keep the Neb alive longer. Garm and Engineering tokens go great with them, Hondo throwing an Engineering token out the airlock, etc etc. Peltas and Shields to Max are also SUPER helpful, too.

I have not, but that seems completely up my alley with insane lists.... hmm, more Leia plans to file away haha.

Ive still got the list i ran at the time, hahaha so many memories:

Long range lineup (394/400)
==========================
Nebulon-B Support Refit (51 + 36)
+ Mon Mothma (30)
+ Slaved Turrets (6)
Nebulon-B Support Refit (51 + 13)
+ Slaved Turrets (6)
+ Salvation (7)
Nebulon-B Support Refit (51 + 11)
+ Slaved Turrets (6)
+ Yavaris (5)
Nebulon-B Support Refit (51 + 9)
+ Leia Organa (3)
+ Slaved Turrets (6)
Scurrg H-6 Bomber (16)
2 x B-wing Squadron (14)
5 x X-wing Squadron (13)
HWK-290 (12)

Did someone mention nebs with Leia? I had a lot of fun with 4x neb, 2xtransport, 1xpelta list. Those bastards could 'tank' isd-s for surprisingly Long time thanks to repair spam(shield to maximum, 2 hull repaired[6 engineering with neb title], repair crews), and They hit hard with cf and quad batteries. So, for non-tournent They are fun. But bombers would melt them. But Hey, its less than 60 Points, id rather lose that then a bigger ship to bombers.

I finished top 10 at a regionals with a 4 neb gunline. (Maybe 3 neb and a pelta).

So take your comments about them being useless without titles elsewhere please.

Choose your attack vector and stick to it. Do not deviate, do not reveal your flank.

6 hours ago, DrakonLord said:

A title not a ship make.

I dont want to look at the neb-B anymore and go " man, what a useless ship, unless its Yavaris"

I do get your point, the yavaris builds of Neb-B's ARE powerful, but every other build seems ... lacking.

I did do 9 unbraceable damage with Salvation once.

And 11 Brace-able...

Mostly though, I only failed through lack of trying and applying rerolls.

@DrakonLord

Fair question. Do you feel the same way about the Gladiator?

Maybe i should change that "useless" wording because even though immediatly afterwards i say that in comparison the salvation build is powerful.......

Hahaha when you get a notification that @Drasnighta has quoted you..... its like looking at your phone and seeing 8 missed calls from mum

I actually dont know about the gladiator, ive played with one once and even without the demo title i didnt have a problem with it, as a mainly rebel player i dont exactly have much imperial experience

Heh, it’s just one of those things... I mean , in particular, I feel I see more Neb Variants out there than Gladiator variants, for example - I am sure that is just my meta, but it still flavours the way I feel when the Topic comes up.

Is it just because Yavaris is seen as MORE successful these days than Demolisher?

1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:

Heh, it’s just one of those things... I mean , in particular, I feel I see more Neb Variants out there than Gladiator variants, for example - I am sure that is just my meta, but it still flavours the way I feel when the Topic comes up.

Is it just because Yavaris is seen as MORE successful these days than Demolisher?

Its an interesting thought

Come on FFG! Give me an armada article today. It's my birthday. I want it. I deserve it... I think.

11 hours ago, Alpha Xg1 said:

Wait a minute! Mikael Hasselstein! You "DON'T KNOW ABOUT GUNBOAT..." this is a disheartening thing to hear from our vaunted ISB Agent (turned Moff)!

I'm certain Cult of Gunboat will be interested in 'discussing' your views!

I am cognizant of the gunboat, of course. However, I believe it to represent a corruption of the Emperor's enlightened ideology.

The gunboat is a bulky and expensive weapons platform, which represents a capital-investment-to-manpower ratio quite the opposite of the TIE Fighter. Employing the TIE Fighter implies that there is a place for many more Imperial loyalists in the Imperial Navy, while at the same time leaving more resources to build grand palaces for the Emperor. Those palaces are an important symbol of hope for the galactic citizenry that the Galaxy never has to face the lawlessness and corruption of the Republic again.

The 'Cult of the Gunboat' are apostates to the proper doctrines of the New Order, and they should find proper employment in the spice mines of Kessel for their heresies.

59 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

Come on FFG! Give me an armada article today. It's my birthday. I want it. I deserve it... I think.

Happy Birthday Sheeeep!!!

4 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Heh, it’s just one of those things... I mean , in particular, I feel I see more Neb Variants out there than Gladiator variants, for example - I am sure that is just my meta, but it still flavours the way I feel when the Topic comes up.

Is it just because Yavaris is seen as MORE successful these days than Demolisher?

I think it is part perception and part application. Demo only works one way. Run up, smack your target. It is a hammer, that your opponent knows is waiting to fall, so you aggressively try to kill it first. If you get used to facing it, you don't fear it as much. If you are used to flying it, there isn't much new you can try with it. Everyone knows an aggressive attack will bring it down, but you can't ignore it.

Yavaris can rush in with its squadrons, or sit and Snipe while it waits for an opportunity, or use Relay to drop its hammer at a distance. If you are used to facing it, you never know exactly how it will be used against you. If you are used to flying it, there is always something you want to try to get it to do. Everyone knows Neb B's have those weak sides. A lucky shot can cripple it at any time, so your eye drifts to the other threats in his fleet.

Besides, just on a primal level, the GSD looks so much more dangerous than a Neb B. That's also why it is so much more satisfying when you can use it to its fullest.

Hmm. I don't really see that as that clear.. 90% of my success with Demolisher has been on the "Sit, Wait and Ambush" style, with the majority of major damage being done elsewhere, and then Demolisher finishing targets off... At least, that's how I've been using Demolisher and have it survive rather than just Trade-Up in Points. Also, Demolisher-IIs as FlakPlatforms cost me a tournament once >.> ... So perhaps, again, its just Meta-Thought that is messing ME up

But I mean, like I said. The perception for me is that Demolisher is the only Gladiator you Ever see. Because, Insidious, am I right? And never a Barebones...

Redemption, yes, that's probably a fair rarity though...

But you hear every once in a while of Salvation. Or even these crazy Neb-B Gunlines.

Never a Gladiator Wolfpack, for example...

I feel the only difference is that we've somewhat Solved Demolisher. People aren't Scared of it anywhere near as much, anymore... But Yavaris is still feared by its position in National/Worlds Winning Fleets.