7 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

I also saw this today:


"Star Trek lures you into a false sense of positivity that the world can be a utopia and recent events have proven it cannot. Star Wars’ dystopic vision is far more realistic and prepares our children for their future." —Adam Savage

I love that quote. It speaks to why I've gone from being a Star Trek fan when I was younger to a Star Wars fan as I'm getting older. Adam rules.

I don't think thats even remotely true. Adam says it provides a false sense of positivity but a dystopic future is just as unrealistic, it only seems realistic because its the easier, lazier option. Decay and dystrophy will happen regardless of what we do but to make the world a better place so to speak requires effort and work, its not impossible but it requires us to actually exert ourselves as a species.

Star Trek doesnt make things seem easy ever, the characters are all always in a constant battle of preserving their ideals despite their natural instincts. Kirk's entire arc is overcoming his desires for violence. Star Trek is the story of humans struggling to tread water to stay up. That is why the Next Generation is framed by Q testing humanity constantly. Watch Deep Space Nine and you'll see how much they delve into matters in the grey.

Nah Adam's quote is an oversimplification and factually incorrect. Sorry I love Adam to death and he's a big 'ole nerd but he's entirely wrong. Whats great about Star Trek is that its an ideal to strive for, not necessarily something we'll ever reach but something to work towards and that's super important. How on earth can you fight and work against a dystopic future when you aren't dreaming of a utopian one?

To me what he's saying is what actually pissses me off in Star Wars generally and why I love Rogue One and to a lesser degree Rebels and the Clone Wars so much. Star Wars is so often the story of a special group of people with super powers essentially deciding the fate of the universe. Whether or not the rebel fleet engaged the Death Star in Return of the Jedi or the rest of the Rebel fighters ran the trench run over Yavin, it didnt make a huge difference what ordinary people did. That's not to say it didnt at all but the real meat of the story It was always between Luke, Vader, and the Emperor. The rest was just support of Luke.

NOTE: For reference I am a massive Star Wars fanboy and hardcore Trekkie, I love both dearly. I feel like I have to prove my nerd cred here but I have two shelves. One is full of Star Wars reference books and novels and models while the other is full of Star Trek reference books and models.

3 hours ago, Forresto said:

I don't think thats even remotely true. Adam says it provides a false sense of positivity but a dystopic future is just as unrealistic, it only seems realistic because its the easier, lazier option. Decay and dystrophy will happen regardless of what we do but to make the world a better place so to speak requires effort and work, its not impossible but it requires us to actually exert ourselves as a species.

Star Trek doesnt make things seem easy ever, the characters are all always in a constant battle of preserving their ideals despite their natural instincts. Kirk's entire arc is overcoming his desires for violence. Star Trek is the story of humans struggling to tread water to stay up. That is why the Next Generation is framed by Q testing humanity constantly. Watch Deep Space Nine and you'll see how much they delve into matters in the grey.

Nah Adam's quote is an oversimplification and factually incorrect. Sorry I love Adam to death and he's a big 'ole nerd but he's entirely wrong. Whats great about Star Trek is that its an ideal to strive for, not necessarily something we'll ever reach but something to work towards and that's super important. How on earth can you fight and work against a dystopic future when you aren't dreaming of a utopian one?

To me what he's saying is what actually pissses me off in Star Wars generally and why I love Rogue One and to a lesser degree Rebels and the Clone Wars so much. Star Wars is so often the story of a special group of people with super powers essentially deciding the fate of the universe. Whether or not the rebel fleet engaged the Death Star in Return of the Jedi or the rest of the Rebel fighters ran the trench run over Yavin, it didnt make a huge difference what ordinary people did. That's not to say it didnt at all but the real meat of the story It was always between Luke, Vader, and the Emperor. The rest was just support of Luke.

NOTE: For reference I am a massive Star Wars fanboy and hardcore Trekkie, I love both dearly. I feel like I have to prove my nerd cred here but I have two shelves. One is full of Star Wars reference books and novels and models while the other is full of Star Trek reference books and models.

Without knowing who Adam is, I would counter-point your argument to say that he too has a point.

Star Trek shows something to aspire to, but it is not reality. Star Wars shows something to desire to leave, and is (more or less) reality.

So Star Wars prepares one for current life, Star Trek shows one what to do with it.

I'm just pissed off I won't see space travel of either franchise's level in my lifetime.

On 7/21/2017 at 4:29 PM, Madaghmire said:

AT-DP (All-Terrain Double-Penetration)

I always read it this way. Glad I'm not the only one whose mind was runed by its time in the gutter.

6 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

I always read it this way. Glad I'm not the only one whose mind was runed by its time in the gutter.

Ones mind isn't the only thing runed by the AT-DP.

Just now, Madaghmire said:

Ones mind isn't the only thing runed by the AT-DP.

I find that bRunettes are the best for that type of runeing.

31 minutes ago, Megatronrex said:

I find that bRunettes are the best for that type of runeing.

I like that you are runeing afield from conventional wisdom, I see you are deviant in all kinds of ways.

58 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

I like that you are runeing afield from conventional wisdom, I see you are deviant in all kinds of ways.

I'm only one quarter deviant. Does that make me a QuadRune? I am grateful to live in a culture that doesn't punish deviants by maRuning them on an island.

Despite best efforts, I'm not going to mention Runewars Puns in the thread title.

On 21/7/2017 at 11:42 PM, Truthiness said:

I love that quote. It speaks to why I've gone from being a Star Trek fan when I was younger to a Star Wars fan as I'm getting older. Adam rules.

Then you go to a Dune fan cause things are not so manichean. Then you go to Foundation fan cause you realize that almost everything is quite relative and finally you end being a fan of A Canticle for Leibowitz cause recent events make you sure that we will **** up our world before we could even escape from it.

Its is by Caffeine alone I set my Mind in Motion.
It is by the Beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed -
The Hands acquire Shakes -
The Shakes become a Warning -
It is by Caffeine alone I set my Mind in Motion.

10 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Despite best efforts, I'm not going to mention Runewars Puns in the thread title.

Article predictions mostly general discussion being runed by deviants but there's definitely some predictions scattered throughout

5 hours ago, Megatronrex said:

Article predictions mostly general discussion being runed by deviants but there's definitely some predictions scattered throughout

Best discussion I have read this week!

Possibly more productive than all the OP threads this week!

I love you guys! (I was drinking beer when I typed it, so it is legally non-binding.)

5 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Despite best efforts, I'm not going to mention Runewars Puns in the thread title.

...yet

Just now, Madaghmire said:

...yet

Y'know, I was going to say, "You couldn't even pay me to put a Rune Pun in the Title."

But then, y'know. I'd be lyin'.

You could totally pay me to do that.

9 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

put a Rune Pun in the Title."

By the way you capitalize it, I assume Rune Puns are a name for them. . . should we just call them PRunes and be done with it?

Just now, GhostofNobodyInParticular said:

By the way you capitalize it, I assume Rune Puns are a name for them. . . should we just call them PRunes and be done with it?

No.

I don't mind prunes.

1 minute ago, Drasnighta said:

No.

I don't mind prunes.

Great! So you'll put one in the title?

Just now, Drasnighta said:

No.

I don't mind prunes.

I do. I find their lack of juice to rune the experience of their consumption. I much prefer plums, with the sweet and runey juices.

Just now, Madaghmire said:

Great! So you'll put one in the title?

My Pocketbook goes un-assisted, so no.

5 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Its is by Caffeine alone I set my Mind in Motion.
It is by the Beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed -
The Hands acquire Shakes -
The Shakes become a Warning -
It is by Caffeine alone I set my Mind in Motion.

@ianediger

2 hours ago, Drasnighta said:

Y'know, I was going to say, "You couldn't even pay me to put a Rune Pun in the Title."

But then, y'know. I'd be lyin'.

You could totally pay me to do that.

Ok now quote the rule in the legal mumbo jumbo that you broke and nobody gets hurt.

Edit: that you would break.

Hard to define that as "commercial purposes" however.

Bribes aren't commercial.

5 minutes ago, Drasnighta said:

Hard to define that as "commercial purposes" however.

Bribes aren't commercial.

Is it a bribe though? Seems more like a fair trade.