I don't have extreme and absurd expectations, but I haven't liked a single JJ work I've seen. Also that's just your opinion. I like NJO. I get a lot of hate for that, but that's my opinion, and the rest of the world's opinions can't change the fact that I like NJO.

...but, I guess it's none of my business.

Anyway!

I'm not going to go to the movie with the presumption that I'm going to hate it. I like JJ Abrams. I used to really like Star Trek, and I liked what he did with it. I also think that JJ is better suited for Star Wars than Star Trek.

Of course, I may be wrong, but I'm not going to hate it out of confirmation bias. That would just be dumb.

At the same time, I still have the scars from Phantom Menace, and so I'm not going to sit down expecting it to be the Second Coming, either.

"OMG The new crawl! OMG-OMG-OMG-OM---wait, TAXES??? ...the f**k...?"

I'm not sure why that's such a let-down. I think the whole point of that was to suggest that this was a small solvable dispute except for the fact that there were larger behind-the-scenes machinations. It seems like a good set-up to me.

"Jedi go mad with Lightsabres" and "X-Wings blow stuff up... in space!" have both been announced as spin off movies.

As well as "Donald Ducks Death Star" and "Mickey and Pluto hunt Ewoks!"

I'll let you know in 392 days.

I expect a significant decrease in camping out this time. I remember doing it for Episode I, it was quite fun. But, the December release date will make it a bit less fun.

"OMG The new crawl! OMG-OMG-OMG-OM---wait, TAXES??? ...the f**k...?"

I'm not sure why that's such a let-down. I think the whole point of that was to suggest that this was a small solvable dispute except for the fact that there were larger behind-the-scenes machinations. It seems like a good set-up to me.

I dunno... Tax disputes are so grown up and... dull.

Star Wars was all, "Pew-pew! Rescue The Princess! Defeat the Evil Overlords! Watch out for that asteroid! Kiss me, you fool! Pew-pew! BOOM!" Phantom Menace was... less.

"It is a period of civil war. Rebel spaceships go 'pew-pew'..."

"It is a dark time for the Rebellion. Although the Death Star got all 'pew-pewed'..."

"Luke Skywalker has returned to his home planet of Tatooine in an attempt to bust out the 'vvwwrrmmm-vvwwrrmmmm' on Jabba's slug ass..." (Admittedly the least exciting start of the batch.)

And then after twenty years, what we get is "Turmoil has engulfed the Galactic Republic." (And you're all, like, "Woo-hoo!", but then...) "The taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is boring as hell..." (And you're all, like, "Wait, whut?")

Then you get a little bit of Jedi's kicking ass, (woo-hoo!) but then you're thrown into Jar-Jar Town...

(And then you get a donut! But the donut is cursed...)

Pretty much.

All you naysayers will be wide eyed and trembling with anticipation this time next year.

No it won't live up to your extreme and absurd expectations, but I bet it will be pretty good.

Oh and, the Thrawn trilogy wasn't all that good. The plot was whacky and it ended more abruptly than a high speed car crash.

If it's anything like the new STs, it will be horrible.

I don't have extreme and absurd expectations, but I haven't liked a single JJ work I've seen. Also that's just your opinion. I like NJO. I get a lot of hate for that, but that's my opinion, and the rest of the world's opinions can't change the fact that I like NJO.

I unfortunatly havengt seen anything I like of his yet. I heard he will do a good job because he likes SW more than ST. You say the samething though about his own series however unless some how he didnt like what he was making up.

The way I see it is the OT was very black & white in terms of good/bad guys, whereas the PT had a lot more gray, especially from people changing allegiances. Clones are good, but then bad. Anakin is good, but then bad, etc.

The OT was also a much simpler story: good guys trying to defeat the evil empire and a son trying to redeem his father. Whereas the PT had a lot more going on, including politics which many did not care for, but were necessary to show how a republic turned into an empire.

I think both ways have their pros and cons, but I still enjoy them all pretty equally.

OK, I always hear Abrams ruined Star Trek. In what way? I watched a few episodes an old girtlfriernd hand picked to try and get me hooked and I found the series boring.

OK, I always hear Abrams ruined Star Trek. In what way? I watched a few episodes an old girtlfriernd hand picked to try and get me hooked and I found the series boring.

Original series didn't have lenseflares as far the eye could see.

Also the movie was an alternate universe. People don't like that, unless it's the mirror one in wich Kirk is evil and Spock had a goatee.

What will actually happen when VII hits theaters:

Huh. Now I am concerned.

I've set my bar of expectations very low for Ep. VII, so hopefully it will surpass that bar.

I just hope they actually have some character developement so I can give a crap about what's going on

Recently, Holliwood's taken the hyper-speed route when it comes to character arcs "HERE's PROTAGONIST --> OH LOOK HE SEEMS DOUCHEY --> REALLY A DARK TROUBLED PAST, GUYS! --> *99% pewpew action* --> OKAY HE'S REDEEMED AND STUFF SEE YOU NEXT SEQUEL!"

It's also primarily what kept me way the hell away from liking the new S.T, especially Into DArkness which carbon copied Kirk's character arc from the first movie because they couldn't be assed, I guess

I'm not expecting Tolstoy or anything, but I don't think it's too much to ask for moments like in Empire Strikes Back where they slowed the hell down for 30 seconds for Han/Leia and Yoda/Luke to strike some conversation and provide just a hint that there's some semblence of something worth paying attention to that isn't FAST! BRIGHT! LOUD!

Hell, they did it in the 2nd Hunger Games movie and those first few minutes were really heart-wrenching to sit through. So...there's hope?

OK, I always hear Abrams ruined Star Trek. In what way? I watched a few episodes an old girtlfriernd hand picked to try and get me hooked and I found the series boring.

Original series didn't have lenseflares as far the eye could see.

Also the movie was an alternate universe. People don't like that, unless it's the mirror one in wich Kirk is evil and Spock had a goatee.

No the issue is it isn't a alternate universe it's the same one but the film's overwrite everything that came before ToS never happened now, wrath of Khan gone and replaced by a really bad jar jar film.

If they'd done a reboot that would be one thing but it's clearly links to the main continuity.

On top of that it's full of plot holes, technical details that make no sense like the ship not being built in space but on earth or trying to fit 800 crew into 15 shuttles etc, Vulcan has no moon yet we see one blown up, uhura speaking Klingon.

No star trek fan likes those films they are an insult to anyone who grew up with the show.

I hope for the best, but in the end I hope they don't totally re-write the history. The books are what kept Star wars alive between movies and it would be a shame to see that all washed away, I wish I could honestly say I will boycott, but it's star wars, I won't, you won't, very VERY few if any will. Let's just see how it goes... And then maybe riot...

OK, I always hear Abrams ruined Star Trek. In what way? I watched a few episodes an old girtlfriernd hand picked to try and get me hooked and I found the series boring.

Original series didn't have lenseflares as far the eye could see.

Also the movie was an alternate universe. People don't like that, unless it's the mirror one in wich Kirk is evil and Spock had a goatee.

No the issue is it isn't a alternate universe it's the same one but the film's overwrite everything that came before ToS never happened now, wrath of Khan gone and replaced by a really bad jar jar film.

If they'd done a reboot that would be one thing but it's clearly links to the main continuity.

On top of that it's full of plot holes, technical details that make no sense like the ship not being built in space but on earth or trying to fit 800 crew into 15 shuttles etc, Vulcan has no moon yet we see one blown up, uhura speaking Klingon.

No star trek fan likes those films they are an insult to anyone who grew up with the show.

*raises hand*

I consider myself a fan of Trek, and I know several Trek fans who do enjoy the new films. I don't understand why you want to deal such bold absolutes. And yeah, the people I know and myself included can all agree we enjoy Trek Prime more than the JJverse, specifically The Next Generation because that show is f*cking fantastic in every single way but... Not every single Star Trek fan hates the new films.

If they did, 2009's Trek simply wouldn't have gotten a sequel.

Also you're... You're completely wrong. It's... Not an overwrite. It's not new canon.

It is an alternate universe/timeline that is literally ​something wrong in the continuum. They said that in the first movie.

I'm actually really starting to wonder if you actually watched the film or just saw the poster and started shouting..?

Im not really that bothered about ST at all but like i say liked the new films

I agree too many films are marketed today at people with zero concentration span and have to have an eplosion or gunshot every second to be exciting

its getting ridiculous that even *historical* (and i use the term loosely) type movies set in the past or meideval fantasy worlds have explosions every five minutes as if lake town runs on petrol or whatever.

I mean, kingdom of heaven was alright apart from the siege where all the catapults fire 'greek fire' at stone walls because fireballs and explosions look cool right... yeah you fire that **** *into* cities and perhaps to clear the battlements before an assault but you dont fire them at stone walls hoping they might catch fire...

Dont get me started on the last robin hood, started brilliantly then rapidly got ridiculous culminating in some kids riding from nottingham to the south coast in an afternoon (it takes three to four hours to drive it on todays metalled roads... unless there horses did an average 60mph and someone made them an entire motorway it would be ajourney then of *weeks*) and the wooden WWII higgins boats for the 'invasion' had me feeling sick before everything started exploding.

It made 'braveheart' look like an award winning documentary and that film was embarassing enough of a rewrite of UK history.

As for Uhuru speaking klingon... you'd think as a coms/intelligence officer it would sort of make sense for her to have been taught it... especially if expected to work with or against them.

In the cold war lots of UK int corps and signals guys spoke Russian...

Uhura* speaking Klingon is a point of contention? Really?

Uhura* speaking Klingon is a point of contention? Really?

Uhura had dialogue?

Didn't notice, I was a bit distracted...

Uhura* speaking Klingon is a point of contention? Really?

Uhura had dialogue?

Didn't notice, I was a bit distracted...

I'll give you that. She was pretty hot. Then again, Zoe Saldana is never not hot.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=avH2K1iR8Oo

I'm just gonna leave this here as it proves my point far better than words can.

Ancient Klingon proverb:

"Acklach m'lock kchachaaar holoch arch ack mochaaar!"

Translation: "There are tiney bones in this fish! I almost chocked!"

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=avH2K1iR8Oo

I'm just gonna leave this here as it proves my point far better than words can.

Well that was pretty cringe.

So, okay. What point does that prove? That Uhura didn't know Klingon, which was already obvious? Or that Klingon is stupid-difficult?

Because it's invalid. You know why it's invalid?

This Uhura is a proper linguist and understands the Klingon Language.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=avH2K1iR8Oo

I'm just gonna leave this here as it proves my point far better than words can.

Well that was pretty cringe.

So, okay. What point does that prove? That Uhura didn't know Klingon, which was already obvious? Or that Klingon is stupid-difficult?

Because it's invalid. You know why it's invalid?

This Uhura is a proper linguist and understands the Klingon Language.

Which makes *total* sense. If i had a multi billion pound/credit/dollar/spacewonga starship i'd want my signals and intel officers to understand the language of the most hostile and prolific alien race i was likely to come up against.

I'd hate to interpret a hailing message of 'hey there, how you doing, want to come over for a cup of tea and look at each others spaceship' as 'puny human you're about to die, arm weapons!'.

Mind you the former is unlikely to have been sent from a klingon warship whereas the latter....

This Uhura is a proper linguist and understands the Klingon Language.

Which makes *total* sense. If i had a multi billion pound/credit/dollar/spacewonga starship i'd want my signals and intel officers to understand the language of the most hostile and prolific alien race i was likely to come up against.

you'd think they'd have a translation program in their ship's computer for that...