For PS skill, they have said that Scum won't have that many high PS skill pilots. And the first batch of ships have born that out.

First I would like to thank you all for such excellent feedback . Much appreciated! So, thanks to the X-Wing community I've done a revision to the Han Solo Scum & Villainy card.

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How about a combination Fel/Phennir style of wording. "When you receive a Stress Token you may perform a free Boost or Barrel-Roll action regardless of stress. Then receive 1 Ion Token."

Merlin, I think this has potential, then when he stacks 2 ions he can say "it's not my fault!"

I also think a scum card for Han makes a lot of sense. More sense than an imperial fett, for that matter. Make him a little less capable and cheaper than the rebel Han. I don't see scum having acess to the falcon as being a deal breaker. The beefed up Y-wings with blaster and the agromech already lay down comperable fire and have good durability for far less points. If I was playing scum and wanted a turreted ship only, I probably would grab kavil and another Y with blasters or autoblasters for the same points. Han was a smuggler before he joined the rebellion, and for all of a new hope he was a mercenary, not a true member of the rebellion. "I aint in this for your revolution, sweetheart, and I'm not in it for you. I'm in it for the money" -Han Solo

Sounds like scum to me.

A pilot skill 9, that has a special ability that would be wasted in almost every single game. Not a fan. A better ability would be him dumping his cargo at the first sign of an Imperial Cruiser.

Discard a crew or modification card to gain a free boost or evade action.

EPIC.

So far it looks like S&V won't have any PS9 pilots or ships with primary turrets. This would be a big departure from that.

The first wave of Rebels didn't either. We really don't know where they are going to go with this faction just yet.

Wedge, from X-Wing expansion pack is PS9

If George Lucas had anything to say about it it would be that if Greedo is crew on an opposing ship, Han does not shoot first.

Why does everyone make such a big deal out of this?? If you are watching the special edition, Greedo shot first, if you are watching an earlier addition, Han shot first, is that big of a deal???!! Harrison Ford himself says he doesn't know who shot first and doesn't give a crap about who did. It doesn't have anything that drastically changes the plotline, so I'm perfectly fine with it.

Greedo Shot First.

Yeah, we definitely need more falcons!

First I would like to thank you all for such excellent feedback . Much appreciated! So, thanks to the X-Wing community I've done a revision to the Han Solo Scum & Villainy card.

Cheers and God bless

That wouldn't work. After you complete a k-turn you get a stress. You cannot perform any actions, even free ones while you have stress.

If George Lucas had anything to say about it it would be that if Greedo is crew on an opposing ship, Han does not shoot first.

Why does everyone make such a big deal out of this?? If you are watching the special edition, Greedo shot first, if you are watching an earlier addition, Han shot first, is that big of a deal???!! Harrison Ford himself says he doesn't know who shot first and doesn't give a crap about who did. It doesn't have anything that drastically changes the plotline, so I'm perfectly fine with it.

Greedo Shot First.

Just in case you aren't being a troll. It matters because it changes who Han Solo is. When Han Shots in response to Greedo, it's self defense. When he preemptively shoots Greedo under the table it shows you that he's a dangerous character that has a loose moral code.

Harrison Ford is also notoriously dismissive of Star Wars fanboyism to the point that I think he may make **** up just to troll us.

First I would like to thank you all for such excellent feedback . Much appreciated! So, thanks to the X-Wing community I've done a revision to the Han Solo Scum & Villainy card.

Cheers and God bless

That wouldn't work. After you complete a k-turn you get a stress. You cannot perform any actions, even free ones while you have stress.

It would work, assigning stress is part of a different step. That's why Night Beast doesn't get to focus after a green move.

I would however add the word "immediately" to the beginning of the card for clarity.

EDIT: If you look at the example of nesting actions in the FAQ, that would also support this working.

If George Lucas had anything to say about it it would be that if Greedo is crew on an opposing ship, Han does not shoot first.

Why does everyone make such a big deal out of this?? If you are watching the special edition, Greedo shot first, if you are watching an earlier addition, Han shot first, is that big of a deal???!! Harrison Ford himself says he doesn't know who shot first and doesn't give a crap about who did. It doesn't have anything that drastically changes the plotline, so I'm perfectly fine with it.

Greedo Shot First.

Just in case you aren't being a troll. It matters because it changes who Han Solo is. When Han Shots in response to Greedo, it's self defense. When he preemptively shoots Greedo under the table it shows you that he's a dangerous character that has a loose moral code.

Harrison Ford is also notoriously dismissive of Star Wars fanboyism to the point that I think he may make **** up just to troll us.

I'm not trolling, but I'd rather focus on other more important controversial material than WHO SHOT FIRST. It doesn't really change him that much, and I hate how serious people get about this, does it really matter?? Lucas is allowed to change whatever he wants with SW (or atleast was back when he owned). While making changes to the major plotline is a different story, minor changes like that, throwing the Outrider into the backround, replacing whoever played Vader unmasked with Hayden Christenson don't really affect the story very much.

A pilot skill 9, that has a special ability that would be wasted in almost every single game. Not a fan. A better ability would be him dumping his cargo at the first sign of an Imperial Cruiser.

Discard a crew or modification card to gain a free boost or evade action.

An stress would be better imho.

If George Lucas had anything to say about it it would be that if Greedo is crew on an opposing ship, Han does not shoot first.

Why does everyone make such a big deal out of this?? If you are watching the special edition, Greedo shot first, if you are watching an earlier addition, Han shot first, is that big of a deal???!! Harrison Ford himself says he doesn't know who shot first and doesn't give a crap about who did. It doesn't have anything that drastically changes the plotline, so I'm perfectly fine with it.

Greedo Shot First.

Just in case you aren't being a troll. It matters because it changes who Han Solo is. When Han Shots in response to Greedo, it's self defense. When he preemptively shoots Greedo under the table it shows you that he's a dangerous character that has a loose moral code.

Harrison Ford is also notoriously dismissive of Star Wars fanboyism to the point that I think he may make **** up just to troll us.

I'm not trolling, but I'd rather focus on other more important controversial material than WHO SHOT FIRST. It doesn't really change him that much, and I hate how serious people get about this, does it really matter?? Lucas is allowed to change whatever he wants with SW (or atleast was back when he owned). While making changes to the major plotline is a different story, minor changes like that, throwing the Outrider into the backround, replacing whoever played Vader unmasked with Hayden Christenson don't really affect the story very much.

I also think that the whole "Han Shot First" bit is more about the overall dissatisfaction with the idea of making changes to a classic film than it is about that one specific change. But fits on a t-shirt or a bumper sticker better than a broader statement would.

If George Lucas had anything to say about it it would be that if Greedo is crew on an opposing ship, Han does not shoot first.

Why does everyone make such a big deal out of this?? If you are watching the special edition, Greedo shot first, if you are watching an earlier addition, Han shot first, is that big of a deal???!! Harrison Ford himself says he doesn't know who shot first and doesn't give a crap about who did. It doesn't have anything that drastically changes the plotline, so I'm perfectly fine with it.

Greedo Shot First.

Just in case you aren't being a troll. It matters because it changes who Han Solo is. When Han Shots in response to Greedo, it's self defense. When he preemptively shoots Greedo under the table it shows you that he's a dangerous character that has a loose moral code.

Harrison Ford is also notoriously dismissive of Star Wars fanboyism to the point that I think he may make **** up just to troll us.

I'm not trolling, but I'd rather focus on other more important controversial material than WHO SHOT FIRST. It doesn't really change him that much, and I hate how serious people get about this, does it really matter?? Lucas is allowed to change whatever he wants with SW (or atleast was back when he owned). While making changes to the major plotline is a different story, minor changes like that, throwing the Outrider into the backround, replacing whoever played Vader unmasked with Hayden Christenson don't really affect the story very much.

I also think that the whole "Han Shot First" bit is more about the overall dissatisfaction with the idea of making changes to a classic film than it is about that one specific change. But fits on a t-shirt or a bumper sticker better than a broader statement would.

Point taken, it still drives me nuts though.

So far it looks like S&V won't have any PS9 pilots or ships with primary turrets. This would be a big departure from that.

The first wave of Rebels didn't either. We really don't know where they are going to go with this faction just yet.

Wedge, from X-Wing expansion pack is PS9

Wedge had a primary turret? Wow, I have been using him wrong all this time.

Edit: sorry that response is a little dickish of me. I didn't specifiy if I was talking about the PS or Turret in the first quote.

it'll be fine. Its not like we've got directives to follow; of the prime or temporal variety.

AAAH! Head explodes!

I hate Cpt Janeway....

If George Lucas had anything to say about it it would be that if Greedo is crew on an opposing ship, Han does not shoot first.

Why does everyone make such a big deal out of this?? If you are watching the special edition, Greedo shot first, if you are watching an earlier addition, Han shot first, is that big of a deal???!! Harrison Ford himself says he doesn't know who shot first and doesn't give a crap about who did. It doesn't have anything that drastically changes the plotline, so I'm perfectly fine with it.

Greedo Shot First.

Just in case you aren't being a troll. It matters because it changes who Han Solo is. When Han Shots in response to Greedo, it's self defense. When he preemptively shoots Greedo under the table it shows you that he's a dangerous character that has a loose moral code.

Harrison Ford is also notoriously dismissive of Star Wars fanboyism to the point that I think he may make **** up just to troll us.

I'm not trolling, but I'd rather focus on other more important controversial material than WHO SHOT FIRST. It doesn't really change him that much, and I hate how serious people get about this, does it really matter?? Lucas is allowed to change whatever he wants with SW (or atleast was back when he owned). While making changes to the major plotline is a different story, minor changes like that, throwing the Outrider into the backround, replacing whoever played Vader unmasked with Hayden Christenson don't really affect the story very much.

Saying that Lucas can change what is cannon is like saying the Pope can change what is written in the bible

So far it looks like S&V won't have any PS9 pilots or ships with primary turrets. This would be a big departure from that.

The first wave of Rebels didn't either. We really don't know where they are going to go with this faction just yet.

Ahem.

GenCon interview did say Scum are disadvantaged PSwise though. Might be intended as a way to make mid-PS more viable: Scum can't hit the high values.

Of the natural PS-9 Pilots there's 2 per faction.

Empire: Vader, Fel
Alliance: Han, Wedge

I wouldn't say it's "safe to assume" S&V will get a PS-9 in the wave following it's release. But if Lower PS is a "disadvantage" of the faction as long as the have less options than the other factions it wouldn't so bad provided it is coming from a support/command ship.

Maybe a reverse-Vessery type ability on a ship with Weapons Engineers. Or Jendon, ST-321, WepEng, Fleet Officer, EI.
Basically a ship with high PS for action economy or buff/debuff.

If I recall there was an article or interview saying that S&V is supposed to not to have a great synergy mostly being pirates and "prefer to work independently" and all but a crime syndicate would have a high level of organization and leadership to become a syndicate.

anyways just a slightly OT thought.

prediction for S&V Wave 2.

Large Based - Poor Maneuverability (think shuttle)
Generic PS Pilots: 3, 5, Named: 7, 9
2: A (Turreted-Primary)
?: D
HP/SP values add to 10
Upgrades: Turret, Cannon, Crew x2, Salvaged Astro, Bomb (because Scum needs more Bomb options)

I thought about the suggestions that were made for cost/price for Solo in Scum & Villainy and I think this makes more sense even theamatically. So, I've updated and changed this as well.

I would however add the word "immediately" to the beginning of the card for clarity.

EDIT: If you look at the example of nesting actions in the FAQ, that would also support this working.

A very good point thanks I will update this.

I don't know about you guys, but the first memory that I thought of from The Empire Strikes Back when I tweaked this card by adding the boost after a Koiogran Turn was when C-3PO tells Solo that they've just lost the last rear deflector shield and then Han screams at Chewie "Turn her around! I SAID TURN HER AROUND!!! I'm going to put all power on the front shield!" then Solo pulls a Koiogran Turn and immediatly does a boost action charging the Star Destroyer .

My first memory was from A New Hope when he says "I know a few maneuvers" and 'boosts' to the left.

I'm not trolling, but I'd rather focus on other more important controversial material than WHO SHOT FIRST. It doesn't really change him that much, and I hate how serious people get about this, does it really matter?? Lucas is allowed to change whatever he wants with SW (or atleast was back when he owned). While making changes to the major plotline is a different story, minor changes like that, throwing the Outrider into the backround, replacing whoever played Vader unmasked with Hayden Christenson don't really affect the story very much.

while I'm not a fan of intense fanboyism, I have to say that it is a very strong character moment and the change makes it...stupid (that casual sway thing that Han does is in no way a dodge)

More seriously, you can build more character and deliver all the backstory you need with just that scene alone than you could by devoting an entire opening text crawl devoted to expositing Han's origins (or the added scene where he talks to Jabba by the Millenium Falcon). It's just really **** effective (and surprising). Making it so that Greedo shot first just looks clunky.

Also, the Hayden Christenson edit just doesn't make any sense in terms of how the jedi ghosts apparently work (don't see Obi Wan or Yoda getting younger) or at all with Luke's perception of his father since he never saw him until after he pulled the mask off. Kinda throws a wrench into the whole redemption thing (he's more machine now than man --> is last seen as a human being) and replaces it with some guy from a series of films that are really only related to the original trilogy because of canon. Yes, I know Christenson played Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader in the prequels, but that's not the character people follow throughout the OT (imagine all the crap we miss between the end of Revenge, when Skywalker just got his machine body, and the beginning of New Hope)

I got nothing against poor Christenson (the "quality" of those scripts dealt him a heavy blow), but his pressence in the final moments of Return of the Jedi is utterly irrelevent and basically derails Darth Vader's whole story arc.

Yes, relative to the runtime these are incredibly small moments. Still, any writer can tell you that, sometimes, less is more.

From a writing perspective, these additions/changes add nothing and actually detract from the story being told. It isn't sacrilidge, as some might claim, but it's not something you'd ever be encouraged to do

Here is Han Solo as a member of the Scum and Villainy faction before he got involved with Luke and Ben Kenobi.

Feedback, as always, is welcome. Cheers .

Look at that handsome devil, before he met C-3PO and gained all that weight.