Good morning fine people,

I have watched a few episodes of SW: Rebels. I'd like to talk about the ships in it. I don't want to comment on the other issues (stormtroopers being COMPLETELY useless, etc.) .. just the ships. The reason being, we are all here because we play X-Wing. A great game which primarily involves SW ships.

In one of the earlier episodes the big grey dude rescues Ezra in a Tie Fighter. In this episode I saw some things which made me think the director simply doesn't give a hoot about maintaining any form of cohesion between OT Ties and Rebels' Ties when it comes to Tie Fighters.

I'll give 3 examples, from that one episode alone:

1. A Tie Fighter can fly sideways.

2. It can be controlled upside down, hatch open with a non human hanging from the flight stick.

3. There is room enough in the cockpit for 2 people (1 exceptionally large) to have a rumble.

I understand this show is for kids (not big kids in their mid 30's) but I cringed at these scenes.

If Rebels ever made it to the tabletop .. Tie Fighters in our great game would gain a new maneuver on their dial and a crew member?

Rant over ... would love to hear your thoughts (even if they are "It's a show for kids you grumpy old man!")

It's a show for kids you grumpy old man!

I mean, sure, you're right about all that, but... how is it really any different from the shows that all of us grew up with?

I've no issues at all with vehicles set OVER 10 YEARS BEFORE THE MOVIES! It's a Proto TIE and a Proto-Imperator class stardestroyer. Heck i've seen 4-5 Victory class Stardestroyer designs.

They are subject to change. I've no issue with the sidewards tie fighter as it was on repulsor mode. it makes sense for futuristic ships to VTOL and canonically they had repulsors.

My only issues are the GROSS incompetence of stormtroopers/officers/tie pilots and the bully boy attitude of said officers. But that's A: a theme with star wars. and B: kiddy show.

It's a show for kids you grumpy old man!

I mean, sure, you're right about all that, but... how is it really any different from the shows that all of us grew up with?

It's like Prince Adam changing into He-man without the power sword or Optimus Prime transforming into a gun! It just doesn't feel right.

1. A Tie Fighter can fly sideways.

We call that a 'barrel roll'

Are you kidding? You do know what Repulsorlifts are, right? fighters in Star Wars, in atmosphere or close enough to the ground, rely primarily upon their Repulsorlifts for flying around, considering their almost complete lack of aerodynamics and proper control surfaces, it HAS to be this way. But it's not a terrible thing, since the tech can compensate for it fairly well. TIEs can't fly sideways so much as they can hover like a helicopter.

Which every ship in Star Wars can do.

And yeah, the fighter can be controlled upside down- why not? If you know where the stick is and how to fuddle around with it then... What's the problem? Remember that this is a franchise where modified air cars lassoed giant metal camels in the middle of an ice planet, some things should be dismissed outright.

This is not a big deal. Thorough knowledge of the technology in Star Wars will reveal that... Honestly, Rebels has been incredibly respectful to the established lore, if anything.

its a kiddy show should not be an excuse anymore. some of the best stories of all time are kiddy shows.

its a kiddy show should not be an excuse anymore. some of the best stories of all time are kiddy shows.

The clone wars was awesome with exactly the same monocle wearing mustache twirling baddies and incompetent mooks.

Not the same time period, not the same TIE's.

If this is before the OT, then it's probably before the time the Emperor ran quality control over the Fighters to strip their more cinematic capabilities in exchange for reduced cost

1. A TIE flying sideways is no less believeable than it flying in an atmosphere at all

2. They crashed and had to walk to the rendezvous. They just lied about crashing it intentionally.

3. Granted.

Anyway, it's a show for kids my fellow grumpy old man.

P.S. Pew Pew Pew!

1. A Tie Fighter can fly sideways.

With atmospheric repulsorlifts. I doubt it can fly very fast sideways compared to dogfight speed. It's not as if it's aerodynamic anyway.

2. It can be controlled upside down, hatch open with a non human hanging from the flight stick.

As long as the controls are moved the orientation of the pilot doesn't do much apart from make it more difficult.

3. There is room enough in the cockpit for 2 people (1 exceptionally large) to have a rumble.

Ball cockpits are established as being much more spacious than X-wing cockpits.

You ever see the spaceship that we humans built in the 1960's to fly and land on something other than Earth? It could fly sideways too.

Also, there have been aesthetic gripes leveled at Rebels as well - from long necked ISDs to lumpy TIES

See this added scene from the pilot episode. Clearly they are not going for a 100% accurate to the nuts and bolts designs of the OT. That Vader mask is much more towards the early concept art for Darth.

I for one really like overall look and feel. I especially like all the subtle homages to the OT from Kiner's score to Vizago's speeder (seen in the original Mos Eisely streets)

its a kiddy show should not be an excuse anymore. some of the best stories of all time are kiddy shows.

The clone wars was awesome with exactly the same monocle wearing mustache twirling baddies and incompetent mooks.

Well not the same, I think (havn't seen Rebels, though)

I'm sure we're all used to battle droids being piles of fail, considering what spawned them

On the other hand, Starwars Stormtroopers definetly have nothing on the WW2 units that gave them their name, but at least they're human right?

Eh, I guess I'd be willing to admit my lenses are a little tinted

EDIT: just remember a new hope

the famous AAHHHHHHH! of psycho Han routing a handful of troopers by himself and, of course

"CLOSE THE BLAST DOORS!!!"

..."open the blast doors! open the blast doors!"

They are indeed human. Previous week's episode had a very Ender's Game feel to it.

And to this statement in the original post:

"I saw some things which made me think the director simply doesn't give a hoot about maintaining any form of cohesion between OT Ties and Rebel Ties" - granted, you are talking specifically about TIEs but I think it is overall very evident that there is a lot of OT love going with the production crew on this show.

My biggest gripe is the Inquisitor actually. Zeb even makes reference to the Jedi religion dying and I believe a StormTrooper says something similar. I would prefer it if Vader (and Palps) were the only Imperials at this point to be Force / lightsaber users. There is so much indication in 'A New Hope' that the Jedi are exctinct save Vader. Tarkin even says: "There fire has gone out of the universe, you my friend are all that is left of that ancient religion"..."oh, except for that Jedi and his Padawan we dealt with about 5 years ago, the left overs from Order 66 we found laying about all over the place, your numerous Force lackeys, etc..."

....buuut it's not my sandbox. I'll just enjoy what they make instead.

If stormtroopers had the level of training as shown, they'd be competent. just saying.

...yeah...I think your taking your Star Wars technical knowledge a little too seriously.

the six movies have all had inconsistencies and bad shooting Stormtroopers.

Rebels should be watched with Popcorn and, if possible your kids. Set aside your anger and hate, listen to the cheese force and enjoy.

Remember that this is a franchise where modified air cars lassoed giant metal camels in the middle of an ice planet

Still chuckling over that one.

They are indeed human. Previous week's episode had a very Ender's Game feel to it.

And to this statement in the original post:

"I saw some things which made me think the director simply doesn't give a hoot about maintaining any form of cohesion between OT Ties and Rebel Ties" - granted, you are talking specifically about TIEs but I think it is overall very evident that there is a lot of OT love going with the production crew on this show.

My biggest gripe is the Inquisitor actually. Zeb even makes reference to the Jedi religion dying and I believe a StormTrooper says something similar. I would prefer it if Vader (and Palps) were the only Imperials at this point to be Force / lightsaber users. There is so much indication in 'A New Hope' that the Jedi are exctinct save Vader. Tarkin even says: "There fire has gone out of the universe, you my friend are all that is left of that ancient religion"..."oh, except for that Jedi and his Padawan we dealt with about 5 years ago, the left overs from Order 66 we found laying about all over the place, your numerous Force lackeys, etc..."

....buuut it's not my sandbox. I'll just enjoy what they make instead.

Theres a lot of EU lore to support the existence of Inquisitors. They just had an extremely high... turnover rate (read:murder stabbed by Vader.) Honestly, you expect Vader to hunt down every single Jedi in an entire galaxy? It'd take him a hell of a lot longer than 20 something years even with regular Imperial forces having KOS orders regarding Jedi. Remember, it takes one to know one.

They are indeed human. Previous week's episode had a very Ender's Game feel to it.

And to this statement in the original post:

"I saw some things which made me think the director simply doesn't give a hoot about maintaining any form of cohesion between OT Ties and Rebel Ties" - granted, you are talking specifically about TIEs but I think it is overall very evident that there is a lot of OT love going with the production crew on this show.

My biggest gripe is the Inquisitor actually. Zeb even makes reference to the Jedi religion dying and I believe a StormTrooper says something similar. I would prefer it if Vader (and Palps) were the only Imperials at this point to be Force / lightsaber users. There is so much indication in 'A New Hope' that the Jedi are exctinct save Vader. Tarkin even says: "There fire has gone out of the universe, you my friend are all that is left of that ancient religion"..."oh, except for that Jedi and his Padawan we dealt with about 5 years ago, the left overs from Order 66 we found laying about all over the place, your numerous Force lackeys, etc..."

....buuut it's not my sandbox. I'll just enjoy what they make instead.

I always got the impression that these kinds of things were kept secret, making the inquisitor a very possible character.

Remember that this is a franchise where modified air cars lassoed giant metal camels in the middle of an ice planet

Still chuckling over that one.

And the most dramatic scene in the franchise has an old man sitting in his all but rocking chair, cackling madly as two space wizards clash lazor swords together in a giant space death ball in a tower on a giant space death ball over a planet of teddy bears, with triangular angry ships and blobby ships designed by squidmen.

Star Wars: Take it seriously when it needs to be taken seriously, but never forget that the entire thing is, while awesome, incredibly silly.

...yeah...I think your taking your Star Wars technical knowledge a little too seriously.

the six movies have all had inconsistencies and bad shooting Stormtroopers.

Rebels should be watched with Popcorn and, if possible your kids. Set aside your anger and hate, listen to the cheese force and enjoy.

I don't know, I think they explained the Stormtrooper inaccuracy quite well in A New Hope after they got Tractored into the Death Star (if I remember right, Luke complained about how he couldn't see out of the Helmet )

Yay consistency!

In all (not so) seriousness, Star Wars had a very enjoyable tongue-in-cheek feel throughout most of it (Ewoks crossing the line into the vile marketing side of the force, but that's an ancient evil) and I whole heartedly support Hidatom's message.

i do have to mention the other side, though, at least through the big picture-heavy Starwars books I used to own as a kid where they pain-stakingly illustrated the anatomy of everything from a light-saber to a Star Destroyer. That kind of detail was amazing as a kid, so I guess cartonish b.s can be a little dissapointing if it goes too far

That TIE Fighter scene and the rest of the terrible plotting in that episode was the death knell of my interest in Rebels. Haven't really been interested in following it since.

I generally spurn any narrative that depends heavily on coincidences and lucky breaks, and while I'm more inclined to forgive that kind of writing in an animated kid's show, it was just too flagrant in that episode. First the Jedi kid runs into an acquaintance on a random planet, and then he just happens to stumble across the same guy's besieged farm while fleeing Imperials in a busted TIE. A twelve year-old could see through that lazy writing just as easily as I do.

Bummer, because Episode 6 was extremely good and it seems like you've missed that one.

That TIE Fighter scene and the rest of the terrible plotting in that episode was the death knell of my interest in Rebels. Haven't really been interested in following it since.

I generally spurn any narrative that depends heavily on coincidences and lucky breaks, and while I'm more inclined to forgive that kind of writing in an animated kid's show, it was just too flagrant in that episode. First the Jedi kid runs into an acquaintance on a random planet, and then he just happens to stumble across the same guy's besieged farm while fleeing Imperials in a busted TIE. A twelve year-old could see through that lazy writing just as easily as I do.

Well I agree that plots that rely on coincidences and luck are kinda crappy, in this case that doesn't really apply. They are not on a random planet so to speak, as it is the kids home planet. And I guess it would be kinda coincidental to run into someone you happen to know on a normal planet, Lothal is a farm planet mostly, therefore sparsely populated and everyone would know everyone out of nessessity/doing mutual business. So it is not to bad in this case. But the fact that the Stormtroopers can't shoot the kid while he dancing around on the top of the transport is ridiculous. I have only fired a real gun a handfull of times, but I am sure that if I was 10 feet away from someone I could hit them.(especially after like 20 shots) and these guys are supposed to be somewhat trained and according to Obi wan, good shots.

If Stormtroopers had any level of accuracy when firing at *any* of the heroes in any of the movies/shows, they'd all be very, very short movies and/or shows, complete with a charred pile of heroes being swept into the garbage disposal unit.

Watch the old 60s Westerns that Lucas drew inspiration from for his good guys/bad guys themes and watch the level of accuracy of the "hired random guns" that the trademark bad guy would hire - they fired just as accurately and with the same speed.