Just been geeking out yet again on wookepedia after looking at another imperial epic thread (come on FFG) and had an epiphany.

I don't think there will be a ISD shaped (dagger/shark whatever you call it) imperial epic because of Imperial design doctrine on those types of ships.

The idea behind the shape is to maximise forward fire power and that means slow moving engagements at range or a fleeing target.

for obvious reasons. if they are too close it would be very easy to arc dodge them.

In a 6x3 epic game with a ship the size of the CR90 you would basically have one or two jousting shots before you spend the rest of the game turning around for maybe a third shot and unless the other player was stupid or someone with the same ship sitting and shooting back stationary (boring) it will pay for the CR90 pilots to get onto your side so it isn't facing both sets of guns

They could of course release a dagger shaped ship without that design philosophy just to 'look imperial' but that would be lame imo

(I am frequently wrong)

I want something that's actually seen in SW lore(Lancer is my vote atm), not some super obscure dagger shaped ship that appeared in 1 picture of an RPG source book.

I want to see someone run a phantom swarm.

That's what I want.

FFG's used Gozanti, Vigil and Lancer in Age of Rebellion. Not sure if they had the Tartan (basically a bulkier, better looking Lancer).

The lancer is such an uninspired design, big grey banana. The Gozanti has a nice tie-in (pun) for associated pilots and craft as it's a troop/ship transport. However, whatever it ends up being I'm sure there will be a card in it that we'll all feel forced to drop cash for. ;D

IMO, if you only take 2 shots with the corvette in the entire match, you are doing something very wrong.

When I'm flying my corvette, the thing literally craves for energy, as it rarely does less than 2 shots per ROUND.

Allow me to copy and paste my speculation from the other thread:

As I've said to people before, my money's on the Imperial Escort Carrier from Rogue Squadron 3. Reasons being:

1.it's a similar size to the CR90

2. It fills a similar role (though in the Empire's case, more Escort and system patrol than blockade running)

3. Being a carrier (though a light one) it could well have some interesting mechanics related to that.

4. There's already at least one named crewmember it would be required to hae (namely Sarkli)

5. They've certainly gone for ships featured in Star Wars videogames up til now with their Expanded Universe additions.

6.It looks frakking badass. Just look at it: http://starwars.wiki...storm_commando)

I would very well love an FFG model of that ship, and would certainly endeavour to use it when it's not looking glorious on my shelf.

I know I'm gonna be wrong though, for most of those points the Gozanti's probably more likely, though not as sharklike.

Still haven't had a shot at epic, would very much like to try it though, try to make the CR90 work. I don't see being killed by swarms as a massive drawback of it, since, y'know, EVERYTHING is killed by swarms.

IMO, if you only take 2 shots with the corvette in the entire match, you are doing something very wrong.

When I'm flying my corvette, the thing literally craves for energy, as it rarely does less than 2 shots per ROUND.

please read the OP then feel free to post!

Allow me to copy and paste my speculation from the other thread:

As I've said to people before, my money's on the Imperial Escort Carrier from Rogue Squadron 3. Reasons being:

1.it's a similar size to the CR90

2. It fills a similar role (though in the Empire's case, more Escort and system patrol than blockade running)

3. Being a carrier (though a light one) it could well have some interesting mechanics related to that.

4. There's already at least one named crewmember it would be required to hae (namely Sarkli)

5. They've certainly gone for ships featured in Star Wars videogames up til now with their Expanded Universe additions.

6.It looks frakking badass. Just look at it: http://starwars.wiki...storm_commando)

I would very well love an FFG model of that ship, and would certainly endeavour to use it when it's not looking glorious on my shelf.

I know I'm gonna be wrong though, for most of those points the Gozanti's probably more likely, though not as sharklike.

Still haven't had a shot at epic, would very much like to try it though, try to make the CR90 work. I don't see being killed by swarms as a massive drawback of it, since, y'know, EVERYTHING is killed by swarms.

I hope you are right it is awesome!

Gozanti is more rebel transport size

IMO, if you only take 2 shots with the corvette in the entire match, you are doing something very wrong.

When I'm flying my corvette, the thing literally craves for energy, as it rarely does less than 2 shots per ROUND.

please read the OP then feel free to post!

Ah, my bad, I misread that part. Regardless, I don't understand how your vision of a dagger-shaped ship is a problem. In a tridimensional space, when flying side to side, a dagger shaped ship would only need rotate 90º its Z axis (so the targeted ship would be 'top' of the attacker) to have both sets of cannons (starboard and port) on you again.

Since X-wing represents tridimensional combat on a bidimensional plane, it makes sense to keep simplifying the dimensions, assuming that the main weapons of our dagger shaped ship are able to target practically everything around it, much like the current CR90, with a blind spot behind it. In other words, dagger shaped ships would also have 360º fire capability blocked by the blue-line, wherever it is placed.

You know I was playing Battlefront II today, and the Escort ships are either Acclamators or weird Dagger shaped things that would work...

You know I was playing Battlefront II today, and the Escort ships are either Acclamators or weird Dagger shaped things that would work...

They're actually Vicky 2s, that the game screwed up.

You know I was playing Battlefront II today, and the Escort ships are either Acclamators or weird Dagger shaped things that would work...

They're actually Vicky 2s, that the game screwed up.

Aren't the specifically Vistory-2 Frigates though, not Star Destroyers? (Granted, no idea why there would be two different ship classes with Victory-2s, but whatever)

I still feel Gozanti is the most likely choice. We saw it being used by black Sun (Scum Faction) in The Clone Wars, and we're seeing it used in Rebels by the Empire.

If they wanted they could put out one ship and have it work for both factions.

I thought they were Victory 2s too, but if they are the sizes and shapes are totally wrong.

(double post)

Reality check:
Sanctioned Epic tournament play area is 3 feet by 6 feet.
Whatever Imperial Huge ship FFG produces isn't going to contradict their own rules.
In other words the ship has to be able to maneuver in the 6'x3' area.
That narrows down your guess selections to roughly less than 300 meters.

I still feel Gozanti is the most likely choice. We saw it being used by black Sun (Scum Faction) in The Clone Wars, and we're seeing it used in Rebels by the Empire.

If they wanted they could put out one ship and have it work for both factions.

Yeah, but they've already show they don't want to,

since they could have put out both Rebel and Imperial

cards for the CR90 and the didn't.

Victory-2 (not II) Frigates are an extremely solid bet. But we will definitely see the Gozanti at some point in time, in XWMG. Probably after Wave 6. The issue with the (let's go X-Wing game here for a second) VIC2F is that it has very wide wings. This would be a serious problem in moving around. It's why the Escort Carrier is an even thicker bet.

But above all, the most solid bet anyone can take, is the iconic and well known Lancer Frigate. Yes, sure. "It looks like a dong! (I've never actually seen a dong!)" or, "It's really boring!"

Well sure, but it's also extremely well known. You could probably ask most Star Wars fans who've picked up one of the many books what a Lancer Frigate was and they might just get it right. You ask them about an Escort Carrier or a VIC2F and the chances of them getting it right are pretty low, considering there's another type of Escort Carrier which is just a flying hangar, and the Victory II Star Destroyer also exists.

So what we can always depend on is something well known being given to us. Look at the most successful games, books, and so on, for what we might get. The Moldy Crow was less obscure than you'd think, considering it came from the hit series Dark Forces and its sequels. And even then it's easily the most obscure ship in the entire game, bar none. Even post Wave 6.

So yeah. Just look at what's most likely. Not what you want, or what you think would be perfect. But look for what's most likely.

The Gozanti, Lancer, Ghost, TIE V1, and Phantom all fit the bill for the next Rebel/Imperial installments.

Another thing to consider, in regards to the gozanti, is that FFG could have it all ready to go save for the fact that they might have to sit on it by orders from disney. There will need to be a number of named characters for crew, captains and ship titles. Some of these might be construed as spoilers.

Now this is not necessarily likely, just a possibility.

Another thing to consider, in regards to the gozanti, is that FFG could have it all ready to go save for the fact that they might have to sit on it by orders from disney. There will need to be a number of named characters for crew, captains and ship titles. Some of these might be construed as spoilers.

Now this is not necessarily likely, just a possibility.

I'm expecting a late/after season one release for the Gozanti.

Also just look at that thing. It'd be a tremendous shame not to have it sitting on your desk, wouldn't it?

I like the OP's logic, but from a marketing perspective it's going to be very difficult to justify not having something as iconic as the Star Destroyer's shape for epic play (by far the lesser played mode of X-wing, from what it seems).

Going by the other two Huge ships, both of which were very promenent in the first two OT movies (the Corvette, the least relevent one from a normal X-wing gameplay perspective, being the first ship we ever see ), I'd be very surprised if FF released something that didn't at least have a heavy reference to the OT (sweetened with an pre-existing ship in an alternate paint scheme with new pilot and upgrade cards etc)

Having played Empire At War, I thought they would go with the Acclamator (i.e the ship that made taking a long-ass time to get to the Star Destroyer less painful) but I guess that would have to be way off-scale if they were ever going to fit it on the table.

I am not really well versed in the EU (really, X-wing miniatures is my only experience with it and its lovely ships ) but I'm sure there's some mini Star Destroyer variant out there that can draw OT and EU fans into spending money on a ship they can't use in game (at least not comptelely, if they don't package it with an escort ship). Maybe a Star Hurter, or a Star Aggrevator...

If not, perhaps the new movie(s) will provde?

Just bet on a Lancer and Gozanti.

I am not really well versed in the EU (really, X-wing miniatures is my only experience with it and its lovely ships ) but I'm sure there's some mini Star Destroyer variant out there that can draw OT and EU fans into spending money on a ship they can't use in game (at least not comptelely, if they don't package it with an escort ship). Maybe a Star Hurter, or a Star Aggrevator...

Here's the thing, though. There really isn't anything in the EU that comfortably fits that bill. That's why so many people want the Vigil, which is the closest version, but while there is awesome CGI imagery of one, it doesn't have an EU presence. It's basically fan brew.

I also think it would be too large, but looking at Armada and the sliding scale that FFG has used for the GR-75 and CR-90, I'm not going to say it's impossible.

I'm with Captain Lackwit on the Gozanti. While I would like the Lancer to be included, I'm not particularly confident that they're going to introduce it.

But... I've said all this before.

On the OP's point - I think that's great reasoning. However, I think your marketing perspective is going to be closer to FFG's thinking.

Gotta say, the Lancer does look pretty uninspiring I'd even prefer the Tartan over that.

The Gonzati, from the images I could find, does look a lot more interesting

It's just sad that the corvette class of ships all tend to blend into one another. It's probably why the movies stuck to the very distinctive Star Destroyers even during hilariously inefficient engagements (Empire Strikes Back, several SDs after a YT-1300 probably because Vader has a lot of strings to pull...particularly the trachea).

Plus, the dagger-shape would be perfect for ploughing through smaller ships

Not saying that the Huge Ship must or will be Star Destroyer-esque, it just makes the most sense to me in terms of visual distinction from the rebels.

I can see the case for the Gozanti, being part of this Rebels tv show and all. I just hope it'll come with new pilots/cards that aren't Tie Fighters since, imo, we've had enough amazing ones since Wave 1 and it took ages for the X-wing to catch up

The lancer is such an uninspired design, big grey banana. The Gozanti has a nice tie-in (pun) for associated pilots and craft as it's a troop/ship transport. However, whatever it ends up being I'm sure there will be a card in it that we'll all feel forced to drop cash for. ;D

Such as a crew menber card of Grand-Admiral Thrawn?

Would be nice... :-)