The Defiant was the dullest pile of ship design ever! At least the Enterprise had character.
OT: Ep VII E-Wing??? (Potential Spoilers)
The Defiant was the dullest pile of ship design ever! At least the Enterprise had character.
It beats the USS JJcrap, and it is actually a reasonable design.
The Defiant was the dullest pile of ship design ever! At least the Enterprise had character.
It beats the USS JJcrap, and it is actually a reasonable design.
If anything its the most realistic design a squat solid ship with not alot of space will be alot like what our first space worthy military vessels will be.
Edited by mazz0If anything its the most realistic design a squat solid ship with not alot of space will be alot like what our first space worthy military vessels will be.It beats the USS JJcrap, and it is actually a reasonable design.The Defiant was the dullest pile of ship design ever! At least the Enterprise had character.
This link has some sketches of the Ep VII concepts:
http://makingstarwars.net/2014/10/sketches-rebel-ships-star-wars-episode-vii/
(Sorry, don't know how to post the pics themselves)
Can you imagine the pullava you'd have at the rebel ship design facility?
"Well we need a new fighter...
we've already got and A and B wing... and and E...
Make this one look tenuously close to a C or a D shape (even though our alphabet doesnt use those characters)... dont worry about the its flight characteristics.. just make it look like a letter."
Edited by GadgeJJ's versions of Star Trek ships were pretty fantastic. Even with the current E-wing being my favorite ship I'm sure I'll love whatever they come up with. Description is quite different though.
Really??
I found the JJ Enterprise to be a fail, he wanted it to look like a space hotrod WTF?
The warp drives are so wrong, they have some thruster things at the back, not at all how warp drives work.
He just has no clue about Trek.
Oh Kirk your an ensign but I see you blew up some stuff, well here's the command of a ship for you......
The Defiant was the dullest pile of ship design ever! At least the Enterprise had character.
Hey! I like the Miranda class! 
Oh Kirk your an ensign but I see you blew up some stuff, well here's the command of a ship for you......JJ's versions of Star Trek ships were pretty fantastic. Even with the current E-wing being my favorite ship I'm sure I'll love whatever they come up with. Description is quite different though.
I'll give you that.
He had no right to command The Enterprise, even post Narada. I think it'd actually be kinda' cool if in Into Darkness, he didn't have The Enterprise, but The Reliant because, hey. While he proved himself, The Enterprise was still The flagship of The Federation.
As a matter of fact I always liked the idea I came up with that, when he lost his command of The Enterprise, that he should have been put on a dinkier one as punishment for breaking the Prime Directive. This totally could have been where the Reliant tied in.
'Cause, I mean.
If you're going to mack on Wrath of Khan- why not include that ship somehow? Saddened me to not see it.
When I read about the C-Wing, this was all I could think of.
More of a D-wing...
Which almost existed.
When I saw this concept art, I was extremely disappointed that it didn't happen.
...they were full of senseless open spaces that would get the crew killed, big ass nuts that would sheer off and fly through killing anyone in their path, the engine looked like a brewery and the view screen was made of glass not transparent aluminium and in the wrong flaming place.
The ships were one of the things that made me hate those two films as much as i did.
I mean come on how do you fit 800 crew onto 16 shuttles, it was highly insulting to anyone with a brain.
Please don't tell me you think The Enterprise as a starship design is actually a smart design.
Because if you do, we need to talk. A big saucer section that's kept very far away from the center? Two long objects kept in struts? The entire ship is shapes and struts and y'know, The Constitution Class is an extremely stupid design.
I just don't get it. From the get-go...
This is a horrible design. It's fragile, it's stupid, its center of mass is ridiculous, and I hope to god that this thing never has to enter the atmosphere during an emergency. Space magic or not the aerodynamics are non existent.
If your argument is that you don't like the aesthetics of the TOS Enterprise then that's your problem.
FYI
It's actually rated as one of the most logical space ship designs in all of space opera!!
The Saucer is actually a SMART design, everything housed inside is an equal distance from the centre.
And it's a very aerodynamic design,
Not that matters at all in space.
It's 'struts' as you put it are it's FasterThanLight drives and as logical space craft design dictates, they are housed away from the main body of the craft. Just look at any space craft design, real or theoretical, they all follow a similar design theme.
Edited by stegocent
The Defiant was the dullest pile of ship design ever! At least the Enterprise had character.
Hey! I like the Miranda class!
Oh Kirk your an ensign but I see you blew up some stuff, well here's the command of a ship for you......JJ's versions of Star Trek ships were pretty fantastic. Even with the current E-wing being my favorite ship I'm sure I'll love whatever they come up with. Description is quite different though.
I'll give you that.
He had no right to command The Enterprise, even post Narada. I think it'd actually be kinda' cool if in Into Darkness, he didn't have The Enterprise, but The Reliant because, hey. While he proved himself, The Enterprise was still The flagship of The Federation.
As a matter of fact I always liked the idea I came up with that, when he lost his command of The Enterprise, that he should have been put on a dinkier one as punishment for breaking the Prime Directive. This totally could have been where the Reliant tied in.
'Cause, I mean.
If you're going to mack on Wrath of Khan- why not include that ship somehow? Saddened me to not see it.
they weren't riffing entirely on wrath of khan - it was mostly space speed, with a little of wrath thrown in.
The Defiant was the dullest pile of ship design ever! At least the Enterprise had character.
Hey! I like the Miranda class!
Oh Kirk your an ensign but I see you blew up some stuff, well here's the command of a ship for you......JJ's versions of Star Trek ships were pretty fantastic. Even with the current E-wing being my favorite ship I'm sure I'll love whatever they come up with. Description is quite different though.
I'll give you that.
He had no right to command The Enterprise, even post Narada. I think it'd actually be kinda' cool if in Into Darkness, he didn't have The Enterprise, but The Reliant because, hey. While he proved himself, The Enterprise was still The flagship of The Federation.
As a matter of fact I always liked the idea I came up with that, when he lost his command of The Enterprise, that he should have been put on a dinkier one as punishment for breaking the Prime Directive. This totally could have been where the Reliant tied in.
'Cause, I mean.
If you're going to mack on Wrath of Khan- why not include that ship somehow? Saddened me to not see it.
Yeah fair call, but then JarJar would have wanted to mess with the Miranda class, he already messed the Constitution up so bad that I doubt I could take him doing it again.
Either way I still would love to see a JJfied Miranda. Mostly because I really love the JJ enterprise. Call me evil for that all you want, I just think it looks slick as hell.
The Nacelles are a bit too massive however.
Either way I still would love to see a JJfied Miranda. Mostly because I really love the JJ enterprise. Call me evil for that all you want, I just think it looks slick as hell.The Nacelles are a bit too massive however.
Ok then your EVIL
DR EVIL :-P
There happy now.
JarJar did kinda do the Miranda class with the Kelvin at the start of the first JJTrek
Either way I still would love to see a JJfied Miranda. Mostly because I really love the JJ enterprise. Call me evil for that all you want, I just think it looks slick as hell.The Nacelles are a bit too massive however.
Ok then your EVIL
DR EVIL :-P
There happy now.
JarJar did kinda do the Miranda class with the Kelvin at the start of the first JJTrek
What? that was hardly a Miranda. That was just some blegh class.
Wow lol this thread got de-railed......
As for the E-wing I love it, it's one of my favourite space fighters along with the B-wing Tie Defender Starfury and Narn heavy fighter.
I've never seen the problem with the top gun, I've always looked at it from the point of view that it gives the pilot a nice tight target area rather than the X-wing whose guns look to far spread out.
As for the muzzle flash, well lasers don't have them so the pilot could sit on the gun and not get distracted.
If it were a problem then Y-wings would have it to with the turret as would X-wings with the top two guns as would the B-wing at certain angles.
Crap just look at real world aircraft that have weapons that do produce muzzle flash, the B29 has a turret so far forward that could have been a problem for the pilots when firing forward.
Or a Bf 109 that has two machine guns on top if the nose.
Or the bell aircobra that had a cannon in the nose.
The list goes on and on.
<Edit> Oops wrong thread...
Edited by TheJradeWhat? that was hardly a Miranda. That was just some blegh class.Ok then your EVILDR EVIL :-PThere happy now.JarJar did kinda do the Miranda class with the Kelvin at the start of the first JJTrekEither way I still would love to see a JJfied Miranda. Mostly because I really love the JJ enterprise. Call me evil for that all you want, I just think it looks slick as hell.The Nacelles are a bit too massive however.
Hahaha I find that quite funny as that ship was about the only thing I liked from JarJarTrek
It does kinda follow the Miranda's design, primarily a saucer with Nacells hanging below with a battle section above, except the Kelvin had one Nacell and the battle section is replaced with an engineering hull.
Similar buy different.
This thread makes me cry
The Enterprise was always a nonsensical design from an engineering standpoint. The saucer is, indeed, a good design if it's aerodynamic. But the Enterprise's saucer was anything but. It had far too many angles and perpendicular lines for it to function well as a true flying saucer in an atmosphere, which was proved in this photo:
Yes, that's a real Enterprise model in a wind tunnel. And its aerodynamics are HORRIBLE.
That's just the beginning. Its struts make no sense because they would sheer off with very much force from the impulse engines, which are explicitly stated to function on Newtonian impulse principles. So would the engineering hull, actually. And all you'd have left was a saucer with no FTL capability, because the aeronautical engineers failed to consider its structure before they placed the components, which is one of the "seven deadly sins" of aerospace design. All aerospace designs place the engines near the center of mass when they can, and the Enterprise's engines are as far from it as possible. People saying the science in Star Trek is superior to the science in Star Wars always fail to consider that engineering is also a science, and Star Trek butchers it far more often than Star Wars does. The Enterprise-D is better, but only just. It would fail any OSHA inspection, seeing as how the failsafes fail on a regular basis and the lifeboats apparently aren't functional considering we've never once seen them launched in ANY emergency situation, up to and including the destruction of the ship.
Heh, I have no idea how the topic got here, but hey, I feel like it's sort of my place to comment on this since mechanical engineering is my choice of study at uni (aeronautical being a close second). 
Couldn't really care less about the physics of most sci fi stuff unless it blatantly contradicts itself in-universe so badly that it hurts plot.
A month or so back somone posted an e wing design, off shapeways I think, that looked totally awesome. You could see the relationship to the e wing we have now, but this one definitely screamed "premier space fighter" while you could convince me that the current e wing is a ground attack fighter
Not sure if this is true but it seems plausible. Apparently someone has info on new rebel ships based on leaked concept art for Ep VII and one of them is the E-wing! This new E-wing though won't be the same ship as the one found in the EU. It will be completely new design but at the moment no one really knows for sure if it will make it into the final film. If it does though we may possibly see a new canon E-wing in XWMG.
The other new ship is a C-wing, which according to descriptions, sounds like an awkward ship.
I included the link here if you want further details(no pics unfortunately). Take it with a pinch of salt. >>
I have doubts that what this blogger has to say on the subject of SW VII can be taken seriously:
As to ships that might be in SW VII, he refers to the artist/designer/illustrator Fausto De Martini.
and on the designer's own website this is the closest thing he has to a SW ship:
Not sure if this is true but it seems plausible. Apparently someone has info on new rebel ships based on leaked concept art for Ep VII and one of them is the E-wing! This new E-wing though won't be the same ship as the one found in the EU. It will be completely new design but at the moment no one really knows for sure if it will make it into the final film. If it does though we may possibly see a new canon E-wing in XWMG.
The other new ship is a C-wing, which according to descriptions, sounds like an awkward ship.
I included the link here if you want further details(no pics unfortunately). Take it with a pinch of salt. >>
I have doubts that what this blogger has to say on the subject of SW VII can't be taken seriously:
As to ships that might be in SW VII, he refers to the artist/designer/illustrator Fausto De Martini.
and on the designer's own website this is the closest thing to a SW ship:
This looks really cool, but I'm guess I'm a bit spoiled by Star Citizen ships, in that I feel it doesn't have a lot of practicality. Too many intakes, wings presumably for atmospheric flight but no landing gear, weird engine thingy underneath, spilling exhaust over one of the vertical stabilizers..
Seriously did all the trekkies forget that the the ships in question were incapable of successful atmospheric flight? Only a few like Voyager could pull it off and even for it that was a risky white-knuckle venture.
Or more importantly the saving grace, deflector shield array? Which you know, creates a shield with whatever shape it wants so that matter up to a certain density or objects up to certain size are magically pushed away from the leading edge(s), so that they could make its own aerodynamics in emergencies but even that wouldn't allow flight. More just semi-controlled descent. AKA oh-crap-were-going-down-try-to-die-less-hard-pls. It was the same trek-tech that kept the ships safe at warp speed by stopping tiny particulates and space dust or even nebula gas from being deadly ship killers.
Anywho I like the E-wing. Didn't at first but what the hell. It's like an A-10. Ugly only a mother could love.
That interceptor looks sweet as hell. And what engine do you see with wash over verticals? That's a cannon rack on the underside. For you know, aesthetics.