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By -nebur-, in The Lord of the Rings: The Card Game

divinityofnumber: card effects trump manual text (the "Golden Rule"). In any case, Anduril does *nothing* if the hero needs to be Ready in order to use its response. The hero has just exhausted to defend an attack! This is definitely not a Response that is intended only to work with heroes who can ready after defending (Elrohir) or if you have included some readying effects in your deck (Unexpected Courage, etc). The card would lose a lot of its value if that were the case.

This is a Boon! Expect miracles :)

With Grandspleen on this one. It would just punish you and be nowhere near as good if you had to exhaust to use Andurils ability if the hero is ready but can use it for free without exhausting if the hero is exhausted.
Plus its Anduril! It's such a well made and powerful sword that using its ability and attacking with it does not exhaust the attached character but just the sword, makes sense to me.

Edited by PsychoRocka

You don't have to exhaust to use its ability. That isn't what I am saying. I am saying that Anduril allows the hero that defended to be declared as an attacker, even though they are exhausted, against the enemy that was just defended against.

But, it allows the hero to "be declared as an attacker", regardless of their state of ready. So, in my reading of this, if your were to ready Elrohir after he is declared as a defender, per his response, then he would indeed have to exaust once again to be "declared as an attacker" when using the response on Anduril.

It seems that Anduril does trump the core rule text, given that the hero is already exhausted. If the hero is ready, then I would assert that the usual rule text applies, and it needs to be exhausted when Anduril allows it to be declared as an attacker. That is why I said that it seemed as though readying Elrohir would be pointless.

Anduril seems good because it allows the hero to both defend against and attack the same enemy. I don't think that it has (or should have) the type of synergy with Elrohir that is suggested here.

Edited by divinityofnumber

I would assert that the usual rule text applies, and it needs to be exhausted when Anduril allows it to be declared as an attacker.

Interesting idea. Maybe submit a rules question?

I don't believe there are, at present, any cards whose cost is different depending on the starting state of the target hero/ally. My bet goes that Anduril does not require exhaustion, whether the attached hero is ready or exhausted.

Hmmm designer make the rules more complicate now ! For what?! This cads wording have a lot of questions which is not right I'm my opinion...

Look. Andruil does not exhaust the hero it declares attack with. Care to know, why? Because there is no word of exhaustion in the text.

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Quick Strike specifically mentions exhaustion, which is a very similar case.

The exhausting through attack declaration happens when you declare attackers not through a card effect, but in regular attack window during combat phase. That's why all out-of-combat-window attack abilities specify that attacker must exhaust, and that's why Andruil has no text mentioning exhaustion.

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Edited by MyNeighbourTrololo

Trololo is correct, card effects are not normal attacks so we shouldn't apply combat phase rules.

Really excited for this! I've been looking forward to Anduril since the game began, and as a Leadership Aragorn enthusiast I'm really happy with the ability. It's just a shame it's not a regular player card and won't be usable in all quests. The lore lawyer in me wishes it was attach to Aragorn only but obviously it makes more sense for the playability of the game. Some people thought there might be some text on Anduril that forbade its use with The Sword that was Broken but it seems that's not the case. I don't mind personally.

Can't wait to see what the other boons are! The light of EƤrendil obviously, but what else? Elvish rope? Galadriel's hair?! I really hope Legolas gets his bow.

Man, that is a confusing circumstance! On the one hand, Anduril does clearly indicate the attached hero gets to attack without needing to exhaust, though it isn't explicit. Card text always replaces rules, but since it doesn't say anything like "Attached hero does not exhaust" or "Attached her does not need to be ready" or whatever... you have to defer back to the rules which state:

In order to declare an attack, a player must exhaust at least 1 ready character. A character must exhaust to be declared as an attacker

I'm of the opinion that in the ONE case of Elrohir, he would need to exhaust unfortunately... but would be happy to find otherwise! In either case, Anduril is great, and as I've been running Aragorn a lot lately, I can't wait to get my grubby mits on it!

I think Boromir is in the same boat, but I am of the opinion that it's not relevant. The card says nothing about the hero needing to be exhausted.

A-a-and here goes the official answer:

Rule Question:
> Does Anduril's response exhausts attached hero if that hero is ready when the response triggers?

Answer:

No, you only need to exhaust Anduril to declare the attached hero as an attacker. Using this action completely bypasses the declare attackers step, so no other attackers can be declared for that attack.

That's from Caleb.

So, once again people, STOP searching for something that is NOT there.

Great to hear! And hey, man, we're just trying to get the complicated rules right!

This one here was made complicated by the people, while being pretty simple itself.

Great to hear! And hey, man, we're just trying to get the complicated rules right!

Exactly. The encounter deck is our opponent and the details about the mechanics matter. If I win, I want to know that I won playing completely properly.

Anyone who can comprehend nuance would have been able to figure that one out so I guess you two are just dumb.

Most definitely. But at least we're friendly :)

A-a-and here goes the official answer:

Rule Question:

> Does Anduril's response exhausts attached hero if that hero is ready when the response triggers?

Answer:

No, you only need to exhaust Anduril to declare the attached hero as an attacker. Using this action completely bypasses the declare attackers step, so no other attackers can be declared for that attack.

That's from Caleb.

So, once again people, STOP searching for something that is NOT there.

Hell yeah, so it is worth putting Anduril on Elrohir/Boromir and not just Aragorn.

I think Boromir is in the same boat, but I am of the opinion that it's not relevant. The card says nothing about the hero needing to be exhausted.

Glad someone else picked up on this. Also any hero with unexpected courage attached.

Yep Anduril is super powerful, hence costing 3.

Also it can be easy to get Frodo up to 4 defense and 3 hit points and able to damage characters that attack him! Our fellowship heroes will be getting very powerful and the encounter deck will have to fight back and probably also be tougher.

Yep Anduril is super powerful, hence costing 3.

Also it can be easy to get Frodo up to 4 defense and 3 hit points and able to damage characters that attack him! Our fellowship heroes will be getting very powerful and the encounter deck will have to fight back and probably also be tougher.

Sounds like the prepare it for Nightmare Set for Frodo saga. Will see

I personally hope they hold off on the nightmare versions of the Lotr saga for a while, so the quests will all be of relative difficulty when it is finished. It would be a shame if the earlier quests were a breeze compared to the final quests. Imagine how difficult the nightmare version of 'the black gate opens' will be! I can't wait!

Oh that's easy:

Setup - Reveal one card.

Encounter deck, five identical cards:

The Eye of Sauron - Doomed 10, Surge

Not hard enough, spirit players can cycle threat reduction nowadays.

Add cannot be cancelled and shuffle back to deck.

Following the glorious example of Blocking Wargs (sounds like an intestine health issue :D).

Edited by FetaCheese

I suppose. Players do not have resources yet at that point, but Free to Choose and Elrond's Council could still be played for free... Is there a response window at this point? I'm feeling pretty cotton brained right now.

How about:

When Revealed: Each player must increase his threat by ten. Then reveal a new card. This effect cannot be cancelled.

So if Caleb wasn't lying then this expansion should be at retailers in a couple days. Who's feeling lucky?