If FFG produced the same pirate, bounty hunter, and smuggler ships you want, but in in the existing Rebel and Imperial factions rather than a third faction, as they already have, 1) would you be disappointed, and 2) in what ways might this be inferior to releasing the same exact ships in a third faction instead?

If FFG produced the same pirate, bounty hunter, and smuggler ships you want, but in in the existing Rebel and Imperial factions rather than a third faction, as they already have, 1) would you be disappointed, and 2) in what ways might this be inferior to releasing the same exact ships in a third faction instead?

If they stick with maintaining the appropriate feel (TIE variants for empire, for example), then they are going to REALLY be scraping the bottom of barrel for ship types because they will be limiting themselves, and then the fringer ships might not get made. But if they don't limit themselves in that way, then both factions risk becoming fringer factions by default.

In my mind, a third faction gives them a place to put the oddball ships that a lot of people want to see while actually MAINTAINING the iconic feel of rebel vs imperial.

If FFG produced the same pirate, bounty hunter, and smuggler ships you want, but in in the existing Rebel and Imperial factions rather than a third faction, as they already have, 1) would you be disappointed, and 2) in what ways might this be inferior to releasing the same exact ships in a third faction instead?

I don't think it'd be inferior so much as annoying, simply due to how skewed the Imp:Reb "thematic" ratios are for "neutral" ships. Not that I mind, but FFG looks like they're trying to keep roughly the same number of expansions per side at the moment.

That's why you stick to the SWG ships. Hella' variety.

That's why you stick to the SWG ships. Hella' variety.

Personally, I'd drop them down there with ZC stuff as far as interesting designs go. The SotE-era BH/Black Sun designs feel a lot more "Star Wars" to me.

Personally, I'm not really interested in a third faction. I didn't really feel comfortable buying the e-wing as I don't feel like it has the street cred of the other wave 4's. I'll buy one, just to stay informed, and that's it.

I'm starting to lose interest in the new stuff because 1) it isn't very "star wars" and doesn't fit into the experience I had when I was younger and 2) I've barely had time to play with the "old stuff" (aces, epic, etc)

I'm not saying everyone should feel this way, but I think adding faction 3 would compound the issues I mentioned previously. Maybe they could add some sort of meta-element (I don't really consider squad building "metagaming") that could allow the third faction to trickle in and catch up to the other two. Or maybe even a new game mode.

Either way, I think ffg should slow down. Most EU is a hard sell to me...at least give me time to warm up to the game mechanics they offer before blasting me with something else I'll have to Wookieepedia.

Also, I don't think starcraft is a fair comparison, as it was designed as a three-way from the beginning, not added in later.

I did enjoy the recreation of the cantina scene that happened through the post, but I don't think a third faction will lead to the death of the game. Just because it might happen wouldn't mean they'd all forget how to game design. I think if anything it is a bit inevitable if the game will go on for any length of time.

I have a cute little blog, as do several of us here. When I am planning out the content for the month I have a basic plan for the articles I write. I work on larger articles a few days before I actually publish them..

I am certain that other blog owners and persons whom run any type of site make preparations in advance.

The fact that Blail Blerg happened to view the site he is bringing to our attention, while that sites owner was doing some updates, and that these updates included heretofore unreleased X-Wing Expansions; providing yet more visual verification with the card art from FFG: you must be a real schmuck to not admit that a new faction is coming!

If FFG produced the same pirate, bounty hunter, and smuggler ships you want, but in in the existing Rebel and Imperial factions rather than a third faction, as they already have, 1) would you be disappointed, and 2) in what ways might this be inferior to releasing the same exact ships in a third faction instead?

2) In a purely thematic sense, it seems odd to have pirates, crime families, and hunters as part of the empire. If they release a couple more of these ships, it would be possible to run an imperial squad with all non-imperial ship, aside from just 2 or 3 firesprays. As for smugglers, the rebels will have 3 as of wave 5, plus 2 that are common pirate ships (z95 & Y-wing), so thats not too bad.

Where it might be inferior is that you'll still only have 2-3 ship to build with rather than the 9 that each faction have as of wave 5. Another factor is (I believe) the current factions will always have to be balanced with Howlrunner, Biggs, and a few other dominant pilots and upgrade, which greatly limits ffg's design options. A fresh start with a third faction would likely open up distinctly new tactical options that might be broken if applied to the current factions.

I get the feeling that those opposed to another faction lean more towards competitive play, and those who want it are more into casual play.

I have a cute little blog, as do several of us here. When I am planning out the content for the month I have a basic plan for the articles I write. I work on larger articles a few days before I actually publish them..

I am certain that other blog owners and persons whom run any type of site make preparations in advance.

The fact that Blail Blerg happened to view the site he is bringing to our attention, while that sites owner was doing some updates, and that these updates included heretofore unreleased X-Wing Expansions; providing yet more visual verification with the card art from FFG: you must be a real schmuck to not admit that a new faction is coming!

Are you really saying that people who don't think a third faction is coming are schmucks? I'll give you a moment to consider your choice of words before I reply again.

He probably meant "Lancer frigate" instead of "schmuck".

GenCon starts tomorrow. By the end of the week we may all know enough to have an actual conversation; maybe we could all dial things back a little bit until we can argue over something concrete?

I have a cute little blog, as do several of us here. When I am planning out the content for the month I have a basic plan for the articles I write. I work on larger articles a few days before I actually publish them..

I am certain that other blog owners and persons whom run any type of site make preparations in advance.

The fact that Blail Blerg happened to view the site he is bringing to our attention, while that sites owner was doing some updates, and that these updates included heretofore unreleased X-Wing Expansions; providing yet more visual verification with the card art from FFG: you must be a real schmuck to not admit that a new faction is coming!

Are you really saying that people who don't think a third faction is coming are schmucks? I'll give you a moment to consider your choice of words before I reply again.

The fact that Blail Blerg happened to view the site he is bringing to our attention, while that sites owner was doing some updates, and that these updates included heretofore unreleased X-Wing Expansions; providing yet more visual verification with the card art from FFG: you must be a real schmuck to not admit that a new faction is coming!

Also, even if that site designer has some knowledge of what FFG plans to release, you're taking a leap saying it's a third faction ship rather than an imperial.

I for one an willing to admit it is a possible future thing, I just find it highly unlikely because they have NEVER mentioned it ... EVER.. but GenCon could surprise us all

The fact that Blail Blerg happened to view the site he is bringing to our attention, while that sites owner was doing some updates, and that these updates included heretofore unreleased X-Wing Expansions; providing yet more visual verification with the card art from FFG: you must be a real schmuck to not admit that a new faction is coming!

That's kind of harsh, man.

Also, even if that site designer has some knowledge of what FFG plans to release, you're taking a leap saying it's a third faction ship rather than an imperial.

Also if he does have inside info.. he just blew it and will be chastised and run out on a rail for his indiscretion.

The fact that Blail Blerg happened to view the site he is bringing to our attention, while that sites owner was doing some updates, and that these updates included heretofore unreleased X-Wing Expansions; providing yet more visual verification with the card art from FFG: you must be a real schmuck to not admit that a new faction is coming!

That's kind of harsh, man.

Also, even if that site designer has some knowledge of what FFG plans to release, you're taking a leap saying it's a third faction ship rather than an imperial.

Not meaning to be harsh buddie, just gathering the visual verification that a new faction or new Pirate/Hutt ships are coming, which for the people like us that care will consider these new ships as the base for a third faction.

The ship was used by Pirates not unlike Z-95 Headhunters and so forth.

Is that supposed to mean something?

The fact that Blail Blerg happened to view the site he is bringing to our attention, while that sites owner was doing some updates, and that these updates included heretofore unreleased X-Wing Expansions; providing yet more visual verification with the card art from FFG: you must be a real schmuck to not admit that a new faction is coming!

That's kind of harsh, man.

Also, even if that site designer has some knowledge of what FFG plans to release, you're taking a leap saying it's a third faction ship rather than an imperial.

Not meaning to be harsh buddie, just gathering the visual verification that a new faction or new Pirate/Hutt ships are coming, which for the people like us that care will consider these new ships as the base for a third faction.

The ship was used by Pirates not unlike Z-95 Headhunters and so forth.

But you are still making wild speculation about an event that has never even been hinted at except by people on this board.. it makes no sense..

Is that supposed to mean something?

I also fail to understand this.

I think he meant he didn't give a hoot.. lol

I think he meant he didn't give a hoot.. lol

ZOING!!!

But you are still making wild speculation about an event that has never even been hinted at except by people on this board.. it makes no sense..

The Force Works In Mee-steriouse Ways...

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WOooo...

I'm glad he thinks it's okay to call people names, accidentally or otherwise, and then blithely blow them off instead of acting like an adult.

I'm sure all the Jewish grandmas were shocked by reading that word.. lol..

Eh, I don't want to see a third faction. Because that would mean dividing up the 4-wave expansion releases (Possibly) between Rebels/Empire and pirates. And for the pirates to catch up it means sidelining the rebels and empire for some exotic faction I personally don't care anything for.

It's fine as long as the next few ships are Assault Gunboats and TIE Avengers- popular fighters with much demand from the community. But with the Decimator out they could turn out to be frankenstein disappointments from Star Wars Galaxies like the TIE Oppressor or the TIE Agressor. Un-elegant duds who were put together by unimaginative designers.

IF we're getting a star viper it could be from anything. Perhaps one of the first scenario packs put together with a campaign bundle and some individual ships? Guri and the Star Viper could be interesting ships that are rebel and imperial depending on the mission. Or they could be mercenaries that either side could purchase, and end up having bases for both sides. That sounds something more interesting than a third faction and without the potential of sidelining the main forces.