That's too bad if it's really going to happen, X-Wing was just starting to really pick up at my store.

Dude, what is your deal? This is great news!

Waagh is probably the most vocal opponent of a third faction here. He thinks a third faction will lead to imbalance, based primarily off his experience with other games like the GW stuff, and follows the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy. I see his point, but personally I think continually building up the current factions is more likely to create imbalance and/or power creep, ffg running out of design space, and dredging up every possible bottom of the barrel ship for those factions. But neither of us can really know until it happens, so it's a fairly pointly discussion.

Yup

Thats right.

It'll be the turning point where this game will probably start to decline, and with the new armada on the horizon that'll just mean those who leave xwing will likely move to that game.

Why?

First off they would have to release a few ships in the third faction to even get caught up to to the amount of ships that the rebels and imperials have

They would probably release another starter or something.

A lot of players don't read that books.

They remember the movies and that is what appeals to them.

Not some guy ship they don't know about. The main focus is the battle between good and evil.

Not good and neutral. Or Evil and neutral.

Let's not even get into balancing issues of issuing a third faction.

Ya, just because a few on here want it doesn't mean that many do.

They have gone this long without a third and I'm pretty certain that's how it's going to be.

If it does happen, then I'll be more than happy to move on to armada, and just use what I have for future games to play with my kids when they get older

I know a lot of people who like the scum & villiany aspect of Star Wars far more that the rebels & empire. They might not be the majority but there's probably more of them than you realize.

Not that I really care what you do, but why would you quit a game, which you obviously like or you wouldn't be here, because of a chance that anonther player at your FLGS might decide to field ships that you don't have warm and fuzzy childhood feelings for? If nostalgia is such a driving element for a gamer, why are so many other successful games out there that didn't come from a movie series?

Just look at Attack Wing if you want to see what too many factions does to a game. There's no reason to split off into a third faction.

I'm also in the 'not gonna happen' camp. If they were the time to add it would have been at least 2nd wave, with talk of it during first wave. The company has never mentioned any other factions, and let's be fair, the game is about Imps vs Rebels.

Could they still do it, sure. As others have mentioned, they would need to put them out fast though and that will possibly stifle the regular wave process. Who knows. Some want it, others don't, we'll find out when they tell us... but don't hold your breath lol

Starvipers? I'll pass.

Comparing x wing with 3 factions to attack wing with its design ethic and multple factions isn't fair.

FFG has done a pretty good job of balancing things, at least in a rock papers sciscors way. If they were going to introduce a third faction I'm sure they would balance it properly.

When I play in tournaments I generally see quite a few different lists. Which leads me to believe that the game is mostly balanced

If I controlled a squad builder, I would do something like that just to mess with people. Wait for someone to post it, then immediately remove it. Bonus points if you use a ship that appeared in artwork. I would say "do Coralskipper Expansion" next, but even I am not evil enough to imply Vong.

That's too bad if it's really going to happen, X-Wing was just starting to really pick up at my store.

Dude, what is your deal? This is great news!

maybe his deal is that he doesn't like you? Which is wise.

I don't like you either!

Well at least now you know that you won't need to buy more than one VT-49 if you want extra ion torps... assuming that info is accurate.

EDIT - turns out it might not be, since the site doesn't actually say that now. Either they modified it quickly, or this was an elaborate hoax.

Just look at Attack Wing if you want to see what too many factions does to a game. There's no reason to split off into a third faction.

Attack Wings problem is not that it has alot of factions. Infact thier "factions" are not really fations at all as there is almost no limitations on what can be taken. Want to have a team up of Borg, Dominion, and Romulans with Worf as the captian... that is A OK.

Attack Wings problems lie in its point values (they only price stats and nothing else) and the fact that they do nothing to restrict factions.

There are a million other TTGs out there that thrive on more than two factions.

Wouldn't surprise me if they were trying to get hits on their site.

That's too bad if it's really going to happen, X-Wing was just starting to really pick up at my store.

Dude, what is your deal? This is great news!

maybe his deal is that he doesn't like you? Which is wise.

I don't like you either!

Yup

Thats right.

It'll be the turning point where this game will probably start to decline, and with the new armada on the horizon that'll just mean those who leave xwing will likely move to that game.

Why?

First off they would have to release a few ships in the third faction to even get caught up to to the amount of ships that the rebels and imperials have

They would probably release another starter or something.

A lot of players don't read that books.

They remember the movies and that is what appeals to them.

Not some guy ship they don't know about. The main focus is the battle between good and evil.

Not good and neutral. Or Evil and neutral.

Let's not even get into balancing issues of issuing a third faction.

Ya, just because a few on here want it doesn't mean that many do.

They have gone this long without a third and I'm pretty certain that's how it's going to be.

If it does happen, then I'll be more than happy to move on to armada, and just use what I have for future games to play with my kids when they get older

What about all the ships they've released from the EU already, do you think they've driven playes away? I'm one of those guys who only really knows the movies, although I did read Shadows of the Empire, and the Thrwn trilogy, but I'm loving the Phantom and Defender, both of which I always thought were just half-assed designs from a video game I never played.

I know a lot of people who like the scum & villiany aspect of Star Wars far more that the rebels & empire. They might not be the majority but there's probably more of them than you realize.

Not that I really care what you do, but why would you quit a game, which you obviously like or you wouldn't be here, because of a chance that anonther player at your FLGS might decide to field ships that you don't have warm and fuzzy childhood feelings for? If nostalgia is such a driving element for a gamer, why are so many other successful games out there that didn't come from a movie series?

Because I like this games theme.

I don't mind if they release new ships that I'm unfamiliar with.

So long as they keep it between rebels and imperials.

That's why I like this game.

I enjoyed reading some books, comics and video games, but that is not why I got into xwing.

I think a third faction will ruin the feel for this game that I love.

If it goes that route, fine with me. Armada will be out next year and I'll move onto that.

Play xwing with my kids when they are old enough

Adding a third faction week create more problems than it'll fix.

Like the old saying don't fix what's not broken.

Besides even ffg said that this game is based on the time period between the rebels and empire and I believe that is all they intend.

I don't know why some want to get their hopes up

So you think because a third party list builder listed the Star Viper, that it is somehow coming out?

Either you're amazingly stupid or really high on drugs, I'm not sure which.

You guys really need to stop hating on Ribann. I don't necessarily agree with much of what he says either, but there's no reason to be a **** about it.

I wasn't talking to Ribann. I have him on ignore these days.

I'm pointing out that people are taking the word of someone that has nothing to do with FFG as gospel. The fact that ANYONE takes this seriously is disheartening. Seriously people, think about this for more than 1 friggin second!

Bloody numpties.

That's too bad if it's really going to happen, X-Wing was just starting to really pick up at my store.

Dude, what is your deal? This is great news!

maybe his deal is that he doesn't like you? Which is wise.

I don't like you either!

You'd better watch yourself, I have a death sentence in 12 game stores!

I'll be careful.

That's too bad if it's really going to happen, X-Wing was just starting to really pick up at my store.

Dude, what is your deal? This is great news!

maybe his deal is that he doesn't like you? Which is wise.

I don't like you either!

You'd better watch yourself, I have a death sentence in 12 game stores!

I'll be careful.

You'll be dead!!!

It is worth pointing out that one of the squad builder guys had updated, prerelease info on....wave 4 stuff, I think, before it was spoiled on this board.

It was confirmed almost immediately after someone spotted and posted it, but the squad builder was updated before anyone else had the news.

It'd be weird to have the Outrider but no Virago, y'know? We'll get a StarViper for sure.

I. Don't even know what to think of the response this has got.

For the record, I, the OP, just saw this on geordan's builder and thought it was interesting because his builder is quite useful and well respected.

Whether it's just a mistake or fun trolling or a third faction or just another imperial ship I don't know.

You guys get really heated about this. Not sure I feel comfortable bout that.

Many people on this board seem so adverse to the game changing. When EU ships were proposed by other forum goers back with wave 1 and 2, others were against them. When they were announced, people said they would kill the game because you average player was unfamilar with and would not buy them. Almost every new ship or upgrade when revealed has had cries of "this will break the game" or "this is breaking the game". People asking for a new faction get the same responses. It is also very evident from posts here that if an additional faction was announced, it would recieve the same treatment previous waves have had.

That's too bad if it's really going to happen, X-Wing was just starting to really pick up at my store.

Dude, what is your deal? This is great news!

maybe his deal is that he doesn't like you? Which is wise.

I don't like you either!

You'd better watch yourself, I have a death sentence in 12 game stores!

I'll be careful.

You'll be dead!!!

This little one is not worth the effort.

Come, let me get you something...

I just hope it isn't an imperial ship. "We don't need their scum."

Like the old saying don't fix what's not broken.

That particular saying is for Luddites. Horses were not broke, cars are still better. Propellers were not broke, jets are still better. Steam engines are not broke, diesels are still better. Model miniature special effects are not broke, computer graphics still make effects shots better.

A better saying is if you can improve on what we already have do it. Progress kicks ass.

On another note, this game is often compared to Star Craft for it's excellent balance, how many factions did it have again?

Yeah and a video game when things aren't balanced they release a patch

How do you patch a table top /Boardgame?

Yeah and a video game when things aren't balanced they release a patch

How do you patch a table top /Boardgame?

Errata / FAQ, like almost every other TTG out there.