Oh I remember reading stuff by that guy. That was weird....

But not as weird as this blog: http://cananalyzekubrick.blogspot.nl/2012_01_01_archive.html '> http://cananalyzekubrick.blogspot.nl/2012_01_01_archive.html

This is a guy who 'analyzes' 2001 A Space Oddysey by Stanley Kubrick in such a bizar and moronic way it defies believe...

There around a hundred blog pages where he goes to such bizar lengths as to tell us, for instance, that;

- Heywood Floyd is an alien because the space station rotates and therefor the viewer needs to rotate pictures from the movie as well to "truly understand the movie" and if you take the picture of Heywood's kid rotate it 90degrees, then the back of the couch she is sitting on looks like alien legs. So ergo, Heywood is an alien.

- The fact that Tarantino has the thugs go after a briefcase with secret contents in Pulp Fiction is proof that the monolith in 2001 (I **** you not!) is an allegory for Alchemy!

- In this guy's world all movies are apparently related to 2001. He takes messages from David Lynch's Inland Empire to show that Kubrick means something different entirely in 2001. I quote: The movie being filmed within Inland Empire is called On High in Blue Tomorrows. This scene constitutes a hint from Lynch that A Space Odyssey itself contains a movie within a movie, implying that some aspect of 2001 is 'faked'; for example, maybe what we see as the Jupiter mission, or some part of it, is actually a movie being filmed (or a program being broadcast) within A Space Odyssey, designed to fool some group of persons who will be viewing it.

I invite you all to have a look at this guys blog. It is a great example of what bizare things the human mind is capable of!

Well, I knew it was a weird blog but I did not intend to stop all discussions...

Those are stormtroopers in their underwear.While said in jest, this could very well be a stormtrooper when not in front line combat gear.

I wouldn't think so since they are wearing helmets. I can't think of any Army off the top of my head that includes two different helmets for frontline versus reserve duty. If they had caps on like the officers in black uniforms on the Tantive IV (Ep IV) then I could believe they were Stormtroopers without armor. These guys are wearing combat helmets and deployed on an outpost expecting Rebels to show up. Even Stormtroopers calmly walking around the Death Star on duty wore their armor.

To me they are actually naval troopers due to the coloring. We see the same guys on the Death Star and Imperial Star Destroyers. Why are the navy guys down on the surface? Naval engineers built the large shield projector station and these are the guards. Stormtroopers were sent there by the Emperor.

These are the Army guys with a different color of uniform (in my version of things, I'm not ErikB claiming you all must agree):

For Stormtrooper ground vehicle crew we have:

The naval trooper thing I can get behind. As to the other pics the at-at driver (and tie pilots) all look like stormtroopers. This leads me to believe the military of the empire all looks the same.

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General veers doesnt represent an imperial armour uniform as he is clearly wearing a breastplate over his regular uniform as seen on ship (and all imperials officers wear)

The at st pilots are the ONLY examples of an imperial army in the films. Their grey jumpsuits resemble that of the scanning crew in A new hope, leading me to believe these are technicians who were taking out an at st that was just repsired out for a test run when the rebels attacked. This leaves stormtroopers as the army.

I expect most warfare in the star wars universe is of the space faring kind so an army needed to occupy every planet is too large to logistically maintain so the infantry troops are used to assault installations and such.

The army is not needed really, and the navy would not be called a navy but the empire military.

So you're asserting that Veers is a naval officer?

The at st pilots are the ONLY examples of an imperial army in the films. Their grey jumpsuits resemble that of the scanning crew in A new hope, leading me to believe these are technicians who were taking out an at st that was just repsired out for a test run when the rebels attacked. This leaves stormtroopers as the army.

To each his own as I've said before. But don't you think that bolded part is really, really going out a ways to justify your argument? I mean I could desire for Endor to be populated by Wookies as Lucas originally intended and justify it by saying those Ewoks were just a village of runaway toddler orphan Wookies, but it wouldn't be very believable as the intent of the movie makers. Yes I know, mine is ridiculous while yours is sensible, but you get my point I hope (I'm not trying to be rude). I think the argument has to start with those two guys in the ATST were intended to be actual ATST pilots.

Depending on what you view canon, terms of Imperial Army and Imperial Navy are used. However, my personal canon is primarily just the movies so I have no problem with someone wanting to say "Army" and "Navy" are not the terms used and it's just one military with branches such as naval crews, non-elite guards, Stormtroopers, vehicle crew/technicians.

You do make a good point in that after I took a look the ATST pilots, they appear to have the same jump suit as the scanner crew on the Death Star in Ep IV. But, I don't think those that outfitted the ATST pilots actually desired them to be technicians, it was just a matter of using old outfits over again without much thought. Another explanation, similar to yours, is those were actually Imperial Army Technicians on the Death Star. I don't see any reason that the Death Star would never have a single Army person on board. In modern equivalencies, Army rides on Air Force craft and there are many mixed forces bases around the world.

If you asked whomever made the decisions on outfitting the ATST pilots or the Death Star technicians, I would bet money they didn't give a care or consideration whether they were Army, Navy, Stormtroopers, etc. So in the end you're free to interpret however you want.

Well, I knew it was a weird blog but I did not intend to stop all discussions...

don't worry about it, most of this thread is low-value fanboyism anyway

I expect most warfare in the star wars universe is of the space faring kind so an army needed to occupy every planet is too large to logistically maintain so the infantry troops are used to assault installations and such.

You clearly don't understand how militaries work or are organized.

Veers is an officer, but his uniform is the same as the 'navy' officers. Most militaries seem to differentiate the uniforms based on branch. The imperials do not it seems, at least in regard to navy/army as we know it.

As to my comment about the technician crew, I do admit it is 'stretching it' but is just as likely as a standing imperial army seperate from the stormtroopers. The truth that we can agree on is that the movies were written by someone that was more concerned with telling a story than making a science fiction military documentery.

We see the Jedi were called generals and often commanded ground forces AND space forces.

I expect most warfare in the star wars universe is of the space faring kind so an army needed to occupy every planet is too large to logistically maintain so the infantry troops are used to assault installations and such.

You clearly don't understand how militaries work or are organized.

I would propose that george lucas did not either, just as he didn't understand the physics of space. He went for what seemed cool.

To my knowledge no earth based military has an infrastructure that spans the entire galaxy. So how easy it is to organize a military occupying millions if not billions of planets is conjecture on everyones part.

Even taking into account a finite number, while large, of military personel in the empire they could not maintain an army on every planet.

It is more likely in my eyes that planets are left to govern themselves until a problem arises then a star destroyer bombards the planet into submission. Unless there is a shield protecting the target at which point the troops are sent in to assault under the shield, as on hoth.

There's not a military need to have a full army garrison on every planet, for the simple reason that most planets in the Empire aren't rebellious. Lots of Imperial citizens benefit greatly from the stability the Empire provides. Some fringe groups only work through politics or speech and aren't actually dangerous.

The Empire WILL need a garrison force for worlds like Kashyyyk (which was stirpped of its Republic rights), Mon Calamari (insurgent population), any major producer of military supplies (Kuat, Balmorra, etc). But that's not even a large minority of worlds. The rule of fear works pretty well, but some places it needs to be backed up with force. And some worlds need to be protected or garrisoned to keep their resources producing.

Stormtroopers are supposedly fast-attack and assault units, more akin to Army Rangers than a regular garrison force. They also comprise the role of marines, being involved in ship-to-ship boarding actions. Their armor is designed to withstand frag (and IED) blasts, mainly because materials science for personal armor can't compete with the plasma bolts that blasters are made of with any real effectiveness (I write this with irony as my armored Brawn 5 Wookiee Marauder just shrugs off blaster pistol fire like it's nothing). But they don't seem to have the kind of organization that would allow them to be a full garrison on a real planet.

The Empire doesn't need a full army garrison on every planet. They PROBABLY maintain at least a small ISB/II presence everywhere major, using local contacts to supplement their official web in more out-of-the-way places. Sort of like the US's old CIA listening posts. Given the reliability of communications and hyperdrive tech, any major rebellious operation can expect the sector Moff to know within a matter of hours and dispatch his sector forces accordingly to meet the threat. This is exactly why rebel forces use guerilla tactics and don't try to occupy planets: they may be able to do a LOT of sabotage to a facility by going in undercover, but an out-and-out firefight between them and the local platoon of stormtroopers might very well result in a Star Destroyer popping into orbit within a day and deploying a real suppression garrison to figure out what happened.

Insurgency tactics are the only way the Rebellion can survive against the massive military-industrial complex the Empire can bring to bear. And as the Empire has no clear line of succession (aside from MAYBE Vader), it's a good reason why the Battle of Endor so quickly resulted in admirals and moffs going rogue to keep the power they have.

I mean I could desire for Endor to be populated by Wookies as Lucas originally intended and justify it by saying those Ewoks were just a village of runaway toddler orphan Wookies, but it wouldn't be very believable as the intent of the movie makers. Yes I know, mine is ridiculous while yours is sensible, but you get my point I hope (I'm not trying to be rude).

I think it was The Lord of the Mynocks. The story about a rogue slave ship of orphan Wookie children that crashed on a moon. Turns out the kids became rather feral, but were a great boon to a group of rebels against the Empire.

I think it was The Lord of the Mynocks. The story about a rogue slave ship of orphan Wookie children that crashed on a moon. Turns out the kids became rather feral, but were a great boon to a group of rebels against the Empire.

Now that is awesome hilarious.

Kshatriya, I feel we have a similar view as to the fear tactics the empire will use. The the shipyards and other manufacturing centres would be primarily droid run, and any high importance target will be protected by the empires best, stormtroopers, as evidenced by the numbwr of stormtroopers on the death stars.

I feel that the empire would easily bombard from orbit any target they need to. Its what I would do. The stormtroopers are sent in only if I have to capture a target.

Cloud city had its own security force, Vader threatening to leave a garrison. I suspect stormtroopers have a shoot first policy. 'All suspects are guilty. Period. Otherwise they wouldnt be suspects.'

As this applies to the game I don't see a need for the imperial army. It is redundantancy. Stormtroopers are the front line soldiers, showing up means a major military action, generally with a high body count on the non-imperial side.

The army stats become militia, those populations that go in for the empire are allowed to maintain their own garrisons still, but with imperial funding. This creates recruitment centres, and an imperial presence of sorts. It also forces any rebel uprising to kill their own family and neighbours. Another form of fear.

Orbital bombardment is the primary tactic of the empire, if shields such as hoth are present, send in the stormtroopers.

This works as in veryblittle media we see the army. We see stormtroopers in games, novels, but I have never read about the standard foot soldier.

don't worry about it, most of this thread is low-value fanboyism anyway

And yet, low value fanboyism can yeild some comedy gold!

"I feel that the empire would easily bombard from orbit any target they need to."

The problem with that is destroying valuable infrastructure. And the threat of force goes a lot further to keep a population suppressed than actual force exerted.

"Orbital bombardment is the primary tactic of the empire"

This is not supported even in the movie. They didn't orbitally bombard Tattooine to stop whatever could have been in that escape pod. They could have, easily, it's not like the planet is worth much. But they didn't, because it would be wasteful. Granted it could have been more likely with low-value planets that we never ever saw, but even still I doubt it.

Even the Tarkin Doctrine's actual exertion of force on Alderaan backfired spectacularly, and would have whether or not the Battle of Yavin had gone differently.

don't worry about it, most of this thread is low-value fanboyism anyway

And yet, low value fanboyism can yeild some comedy gold!

Both of you, stop messing around and click the link I posted!

It's comedy gold! You'll thank me later...

So you're asserting that Veers is a naval officer?

I understand the uniform of General Veers and Admirals appear the same. But, how is the rank of "General" explained without an Imperial Army and Imperial Navy? If you have one military and one ranking system, is General above or below Admiral, for example? I suppose you can come up with a solution (space supreme commanders are called Admirals, ground supreme commanders of the exact same rank are called Generals). I prefer the classic Army and Navy differentiation myself. EU does too.

General tends to be the province of Army, it's the equivalent rank of Admiral. I, too, saw this to be an indication to Veers was an officer of the Imperial Army.

General tends to be the province of Army, it's the equivalent rank of Admiral. I, too, saw this to be an indication to Veers was an officer of the Imperial Army.

It could make as much sense as BSG where Colonel Tigh sits amidst an otherwise naval rank structure despite very obviously being naval himself.

It could, but why complicate things? Especially for an individual that is wearing different uniform to what we've seen on naval officers, and who is put in command of a vehicle specifically designed for land warfare?

Nah, to me, General Veers was Imperial Army.

It could, but why complicate things? Especially for an individual that is wearing different uniform to what we've seen on naval officers, and who is put in command of a vehicle specifically designed for land warfare?

Nah, to me, General Veers was Imperial Army.

It's not a different uniform. At least if we are speaking of the uniform without the added armor.

The breastplate he is wearing while "deployed" is actually an greenish gray version of what the Snowtroopers wear. Another point towards Army though (in addition to his title) is his helmet. It's not the helmet of the Naval troopers, but of the ATST drivers. Then again, to further complicate, it appears to also be the helmet of the Snowtroopers.

If you really want to scream about this issue, here is a read about those not being Snowtroopers, but arctic Imperial Army troops.

I wish the prop guys would have sat down at some point and thought through the structure of the Imperial military before throwing about their stuff willy nilly. They should have thought about us future RPGer Star Wars nerds. (had to get one more smiley in for the record)

Much like the Jedi generals of the clone wars who ordered everyone around, I feel the term of 'general' is more for battlefield commander. Basically the guy who sets up the operation to be carried our. In this setup he could give orders to admirals in a ship in orbit.

Jedi generals ordered grouns and space forces alike.

The US air force is led by generals (as a result of starting off as the aviation wing of the US army), so I've always felt it was very appropriate for space yankee fighter pilots to be led by generals like Lando.

Much like the Jedi generals of the clone wars who ordered everyone around, I feel the term of 'general' is more for battlefield commander. Basically the guy who sets up the operation to be carried our. In this setup he could give orders to admirals in a ship in orbit.

Jedi generals ordered grouns and space forces alike.

I like this explanation. Lando and Han were eventually Generals also. A special rank seperate from the usual chain of command handed temporarily (perhaps) to task force commanders.