See I have stormtrooper armor as laminate with the enhanced optics suite, superior, and vacuum-sealed attachments (if you're going to stick to official attachments). That uses up all the hardpoints of the armor. In universe it is highly illegal to be caught with a suit or parts thereof.

I saved Enhanced Optics Suite for Scouttroopers. I figured they would have something a step above normal Stormtroopers. That is why I added the , "Semi-Enhanced Optics Suite", a cheaper alternative for standard Stormtroopers. I then threw in the disadvantages tacked to the cheaper version to explain Stormtroopers bouncing into things and Luke saying he can't see anything.

eta: Sorry 3 in row, catching up.

Mostly unrelated, but I like Phase-II Clone trooper armor so much more than Stormtrooper armor.

Did you just equate real world cops having a role of massacring of unarmed civilians?

More the kind of Stormtrooper like enforcer riot cops one tends to find massacring civilians for totalitarian sci-fi regimes like Palpatine's Empire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84G6RRBnJEY

What little training Stormtroopers receive being dedicated to suppressing dissent by protesters and rounding up undesirables for the camps would also help to explain their consistently poor performance against an organised military like the Rebel Alliance.

What consistently poor performance? Rebellion organized? More Rebellion propaganda!

What consistently poor performance?

For our purposes, all the times the unending armies of the Empire are going to fail to prevent the PC rebels from foiling the nefarious schemes of Palpatines minions in games of Age of Rebellion.

Your ongoing portrayal of stormtroopers completely destroys believable immersion in the setting.

It's Laminate with two new attachments in order to create my personal version of Stormtrooper armor. I understand others may hate it, but it works for me as a GM. I can post the sandtrooper and scouttrooper versions to more understand what I was doing if you are interested?

Please do! I admittedly liked mouthymerc's approach of sticking to only the official attachments, but I see that you already answered him.

P.S. Re: ErikB's moment of exposing himself as AluminumWolf through his obsession with tacticool... as someone who actually watched the Battlefield 4 campaign instead of just looking at posed renders, to hell with Irish .

Your ongoing portrayal of stormtroopers completely destroys believable immersion in the setting.

What part of Stormtroopers being poorly trained bully boys of a fascist dictatorship do you feel doesn't properly represent the setting?

The notion that a powerful, hierarchical, extremely wealthy, near-galaxywide government that has nationalized most if not all military-applicable industries can't (or worse, won't) effectively train its grunt troops to even basic combat competency. That is totally idiotic, even for pompous, hubristic despots. If you can afford to build star destroyers but you choose not to train your starship-boarding shock troopers (or worse, your troops who garrison unruly planets) into being capable of hitting the broad side of a sandcrawler...yeah, cannot suspend disbelief.

Did you just equate real world cops having a role of massacring of unarmed civilians?

More the kind of Stormtrooper like enforcer riot cops one tends to find massacring civilians for totalitarian sci-fi regimes like Palpatine's Empire.

And your typical non-answer, which is what I specifically asked you not to do. After resisting for so long and giving you a chance, I'm following in old advice and putting you on ignore. If you do find yourself banned yet again, next time I would suggest you use the name Narccisus . He spawned a modern term you might find enlightening. Farewell.

Rebels suck balls. Go Empire!

Please do! I admittedly liked mouthymerc's approach of sticking to only the official attachments, but I see that you already answered him.

It's Laminate with two new attachments in order to create my personal version of Stormtrooper armor. I understand others may hate it, but it works for me as a GM. I can post the sandtrooper and scouttrooper versions to more understand what I was doing if you are interested?

Here is a PDF page that inclues several of my Imperial armor cards and some gear to go with them.

Your ongoing portrayal of stormtroopers completely destroys believable immersion in the setting.

What part of Stormtroopers being poorly trained bully boys of a fascist dictatorship do you feel doesn't properly represent the setting?

Did you purposefully ignore my earlier reply where I asked you to stop using real world references for this RPG?

Your ongoing portrayal of stormtroopers completely destroys believable immersion in the setting.

What part of Stormtroopers being poorly trained bully boys of a fascist dictatorship do you feel doesn't properly represent the setting?

The fact that that's not the case in the movies.

Did you purposefully ignore my earlier reply where I asked you to stop using real world references for this RPG?

Yes, he did.

This has been another episode of "Simple Answers to Simple Questions."

The notion that a powerful, hierarchical, extremely wealthy, near-galaxywide government that has nationalized most if not all military-applicable industries can't (or worse, won't) effectively train its grunt troops to even basic combat competency. That is totally idiotic, even for pompous, hubristic despots. If you can afford to build star destroyers but you choose not to train your starship-boarding shock troopers (or worse, your troops who garrison unruly planets) into being capable of hitting the broad side of a sandcrawler...yeah, cannot suspend disbelief.

The Empire views its people as disposable, and as such doesn't waste any more resources on them than it feels it has to. To the Empire the man is less valuable than the armour he is wearing. And that is why they lose.

Tarkin was pants-on-head stupid and flush from crushing a Rebel attack of 200 X-Wings at the Battle of Despayre. Who cares about 30 fighters if 200 couldn't stop them?

You want blindingly stupid tactics, lets talk the Rebels trying to overcome the Death Star by sheer force in the Death Star novel. Okay, lets assume for a second that the Death Star sat there totally inert, not firing back, not launching any fighters. Just one moon sized target sitting there letting the rebels do as they please. They could have fired every torpedo owned by the entire rebellion from across the whole Galaxy and not damaged the thing. They could have fired lasers at it until their guns melted and not done enough critical mass to destroy the station. Not even close.

So you say the Empire sucks for chasing Ewoks into the woods? Sure it was tactically weak and the height of overconfidence - but it wasn't spazoid retarded like this rebellion attack was.

Well, where do we think the Clone Troopers the Empire replaced with its non clone Stormtroopers ended up?

Actually, we found out back in 1978, in the Star Wars Official Poster Monthly (where Stormtroopers as clones was first established) - they retire to the holday planet of sochi . Not many do, but they get names, can lead out lives as proud citizens of the Empire.

Incidentally, there is a very good article on the weaknesses of Stormtrooper marksmanship here:-

http://atwar.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/02/the-weakness-of-taliban-marksmanship/?_r=0

Fantastic write up - which directly flies in the face of what we see ON THE SCREEN, where Stormtroopers kick ass 8 out of 10 engagements when not ordered to leave targets alive.

Whoops. Double post

STORMTROOPERS HIT THEIR TARGETS ALL THE TIME, AS WE SEE ON THE SCREEN. OR HAVE YOU NOT ACTUALLY WATCHED THE MOVIES! CHRIST!

Your ongoing portrayal of stormtroopers completely destroys believable immersion in the setting.

What part of Stormtroopers being poorly trained bully boys of a fascist dictatorship do you feel doesn't properly represent the setting?

Oh my, these threads still exists. *returns from smothering puppies and stealing candy from children* I hope that Rebels will be more akin to the last two seasons of Clone War than the first ones. It is going to be a cartoon but there will be a chance of getting fair look on those serving Empire beyond the few obligatory mustache-twirling villians.

Representation of Stormtroopers really depends on who writes and/or plays them. I dislike comparing them to the freikorps style paramilitary, but I also do not feel they are real Special Forces (for that we have Storm Commandos ). I think, best comparision would be Guard regiments/divisions in various armies through history, highly motivated, well trained and well supplied elite frontline troops, but not commandos or even Astartes and Spartans. Competent and fearsome, yet killable enemy.

Representation of Stormtroopers really depends on who writes and/or plays them. I dislike comparing them to the freikorps style paramilitary

No one likes it when their favorite faction looks less than totally awesome, but you have to admit it fits the role they usually play in the fiction pretty well.

Representation of Stormtroopers really depends on who writes and/or plays them. I dislike comparing them to the freikorps style paramilitary

No one likes it when their favorite faction looks less than totally awesome, but you have to admit it fits the role they usually play in the fiction pretty well.

Representation of Stormtroopers really depends on who writes and/or plays them. I dislike comparing them to the freikorps style paramilitary

No one likes it when their favorite faction looks less than totally awesome, but you have to admit it fits the role they usually play in the fiction pretty well.

Well, some people do, for example me and few people I plat with. You know, plastic, more than one dimension story and backround. And unfortunately I do not have to, neither can I, as effective boarding actions, decisive planetary invasions and capturing enemy infiltrators is not commonly assigned to the untrained militias

Look Erik, I know you love your larger than life heroes like Starkiller throwing around Star Destroyers and Rambo taking on whole armies, but I prefer underdogs who show up superior opponents through quick wits and unorthadox tactics rather than the brute force their opponents so often use.

Isn't the whole point of playing the Rebels that they have to use their wits, pick their battles and think outside of the box? That they can't afford to throw lives away in a meat grinder the way the Empire can?

From page 4 of the Beta book:

"The military might of the Empire cannot be challenged in a straight fight by any other force in the galaxy. For the Alliance to even hope to defeat such a behemoth, they must call upon unorthodox strategies and the careful application of guerrilla warfare. The Alliance retreats wherever its enemies are strongest and strikes where they are weak."

I typed all that out for you Erik, because I know you don't have the book or play the games.

And before you call me (someone who is Alliance to the core) an 'Imperial sympathiser', let me repeat that's from the introduction to the game.