Siranui said:

By RAW,you can take it as much as you want. Our GM has house ruled,however,that each character can take it only once/mission for one weapon. Otherwise,our Librarian would be running around with a Razor Sharp,Tearing,Toxic,Felling(1) Force Sword[in my estimation,anyways].

Watch Captain is still pretty useful for an Ultramarines Tac. You get a 200 XP discount on Command+10 and Command+20. You get Master Orator a rank early for 200 XP less. You get access to the Commanding Presence talent,as well. Improved Tactics[reroll a number of Tactics tests and automatically enter Squad Mode a number of times equal to your Intelligence bonus] is pretty cool,or if you use Bolster Morale along with your Ultramarine ablility and combine it with the Defensive Genius or Strike Team Specialist Deeds,you can spam a ridiculous array of Squad Mode abilities and turn your Kill Team into a veritable juggernaut. Plus,as a Watch Captain,you can always just pull rank on any member of your Kill Team that is being problematic,and being the default Kill Team leader also ensures that your character will be front and center in the spotlight and have plenty of good role-playing opportunites.

Your group's Renown seems high with both the game I'm currently playing in,and the game I ran as the GM. The current game I'm in has the group sitting at 41 Renown with most of the group in the mid rank 4 range. The group in the game that I ran had 15 Renown when it hit Rank 2. In both games,we used the rotating system of leadership,where everybody is suppossed to get their turn,as oppossed to having a go-to guy as the defacto leader. We find that it helps discourage min-maxing,as everybody has to put some points into leadership qualities to do a good job when it's their turn,and it also helps ensure that players get their fair share of spotlight time. In fact,the group that I'm a player in voted to "ban" the Watch Captain advanced speciality because we enjoy passing the torch around. Oath of Glory tends to spike the Renown rewards for an adventure big time,however,so if your group takes it a lot,that's probably why your so far ahead of us on Renown. We had a huge problem with our group in a Dark Heresy game when it came to gear. My Scum could find pretty much any piece of gear anywhere in the galaxy,one of the character's had a Noble background and was more than willing to shell out some scratch to buy stuff for the other characters,and the group's Tech Priest would buff those items further. The GM was running premade adventure modules,and was having a hard time challenging the group because our gear was so much better than what the adventure planned for. Now,the group police's gear a lot more stringently,which is a big reason why we don't take Oath of Glory all the time.

I'm one of the few players who has taken Signature Wargear so far,so I'm usually kicking into the pot,anyways,so it isn't a huge deal for me.

Fair enough,then I rescind the "elitist" remark on the account of the fact that I apparently misinterpreted your post.

Cujo999 said:

I'm unsure of everything you listed here but I do have to say that discount you mention is pretty useless when your suppose to have the +20 Command already so getting it for cheaper if that's possible as i'm unsure of how much it is as a UltraMarine as is. You also have to be a Rank 5 plus 60+ Renown. Also I maybe wrong but i'm not sure but I don't think it says any where that you can simply take command. I know the Second In command deed allows you to take command if the current Leader is taken out. The special abilities only work if your currently the team leader too. As I've barely played the game as is I'm unsure on how to muckin the stuff. I tend to look at things as a way to add fluff to the guy. Also Iron Halo only comes if you have the honor to get it.

Cujo999 said:

By RAW only ONE character can take it only ONCE/mission and the whole team must decide who will get the weapon boost, the key word in the description is SINGLE repeated over and over!

Tactically it makes much sense to choose a weapon with an already high damage output because the whole team has to benefit from it's abilities. A meele weapon is a good choice so the AM can come to the rescue of the besieged Dev and finish of the threats with Ligtning Attack or add a quality to a hard hitting support weapon but boosting a Basic or Pistol weapon is useless to the team.

The most dangerous weapon, my team has ever requisitioned was a Frost Blade with the Felling quality for their Space Wolf AM - on the next mission I made it unavailable!

Second in Command is only useful for non-Tacs the only bonus you get as a Tac is to save 100XP for the Air of Authority Talent which would normally cost you 500XP. The Iron Skull Honour grants you the Rank of Sergeant but this means nothing outside of your own Chapter. DW Kill-Teams don't use Ranks for leadership purposes during missions.

Deathwatch Champion costs alot yes (4k xp), but when cosidering the ability to gain 2 high end pieces of equipment whe it would usualt take rank 4 to gain 1 peice combined with the toxic special ability, I think it is well balanced. Yes alot of the talents are overpriced compared to alot of other advanced specialities and assault marines, but I see this as a balancing factor, so assault marines dont get out done by other classes taking this specialty, ie if the tech marine or tac marine wants to gain lightning attack it costs them 3500xp, an assault marine can do alot with that 3500 xp.