Many daemons say something along the lines of "does not suffer psychic phenomenon." That being the case, why would they not push ever power at +3 since they have no penalty? And isn't such a thing incredibly overpowered?

I would need to double check the wording, but does it say Phenomena only? As in Perils have no effect as well? Isn't it more that they can trigger, they just don't suffer any negative effects?

Daemons are of and made of the warp. Psychic powers use the warp to make things happen. I'm pretty sure daemons understand how to manipulate themselves and their home dimension much better than anyone from the material universe. So I'm also pretty sure they wouldn't mess up when manifesting their powers.

It's crazy talk to think that daemons should have Psy Ratings so high printed and be able to push every time +3 with no consequences.

Daemons mostly suck anyway, its super easy to bypass DT and they die in droves to any remotely competent party, so giving them the ability to push lets their often pathetic PR actually have some impact. The really strong ones... well, they would be extra strong. I suppose technically rolling doubles while pushing gives you fatigue, but then, Daemons are usually immune to that by virtue of From Beyond. Honestly, having Daemons always push is fine with me, I usually make sure to have them do so when they show up.

Well, it's not *hard* to bypass Daemonic, but you have to plan for it in many cases. Force weapons and psy powers are the domain of the psyker, so unless you have more than one in your group, the rest of the weapon dispersal (sanctified/holy) becomes trickier. It also still begs the question what weapon stats you're using in your group- the original RAW or the errated, as that can have a pretty significant impact on how easy or difficult a group of enemies is.

Also, where are you guys getting your daemon stats? If they're from RT or DH they may need some tweaking to fit and form a challenge in DW- they also tend to have a very low rating, like 3 or 4, and a push to 6 or 7 doesn't seem that outlandish.

That said, I've only found a few with actual psy powers, and those that do say "are immune to Perils of the Warp", which to me reads that they can reate psychic penomenon however if a roll results in perils of the warp, they would be simply immune to it's effects, but the event would still occur (so things like Destruction or Vice Versa wouldn't happen, but Blood Rain might).

Well, the Hive Tyrant doesn't even need to roll to succeed and triggers nothing. I'm not sure which sorcerous daemon would trigger Psychic Phenomena. I tend think that they would but could choose which like with Rite of Sanctioning. Bleeding walls and all, sounds like fun. Perils of Warp? Perhaps not, too extreme.

Alex

herichimo said:

LOL, demons don't suffer perils of the warp because they ARE the perils of the warp. Mechanically, I guess there is no reason why they wouldn't push every power. I do see some roleplaying use for having them still trigger phenomena though.

Sanguinary Priest said:

You're absolutely right. I know they're immune to psychic powers but can they still be affected by Word of the Emperor? As it also daemonic targets.

Deepstriker said:

Daemons are not immune to psychic powers.

Deepstriker said:

They are so not immune to psychic powers. Psychic attacks are one of the best ways to harm them, actually, since they bypass their Daemonic Toughness. However, if they have From Beyond which all but possessed marines and such do, then they are immune to telepathy type stuff, since Word of the Emperor explicitly effects daemons it is obviously not included in this immunity IMO. If you prefer, consider it not a mental effect. Perhaps it unravels the twisted fabric of reality that the daemon represents when present in this realm or some such.

Right. Thanks for the explanation there. I forgot to add Daemons with the from beyond trait in my earlier post.