In my campaign, i will need info about the savage orcs, not the normal ones, but the promitive ones, the ones that barely use armors. Any info about their tactics, and also about their waaaghs?

The idea is that they will attack Middenheim in a big Whaaaaagh, although i dont know if they live near the city, maybe in Drakwald, but dont know for sure.

Also, how much orcs do you believe will be needed for taking Middenheim, or at least for been taking as a serious threat? As i suppose they act in different ways, any help with this savage orcs will be very useful.

Also, anyone can describe middenheim, or at least tell me some facts and important things about it? I finished reading ashes of middenheim, and i am currently reading the "Hammers of Ulric" novel, but my players will reach (hopefully) Middenheim soon, so any facts and details will help.

Thanks to all, really this forum is so full of info that i prefer to refer to it, more than the books

For the orcs, I don't know of any good references for you, however you could simply go with a basic, primitive barbarian type approach or make them like neandertals.

Regarding middenheim, you've got all you need in the novel and Ashes of Middenheim. You could google some pictures for middenheim.

jh

Great picture! Still searching for info about the savage orcs Any info is welcome!

Huh...

If you want to get more info, you could also Google stuff about the storm of chaos campaign for warhammer fantasy battles, it might give more insight into the city's defences.

But I will say that the city is remarkabely well protected from most forms of conventional seige. It will overlook any attackers, it's rocky sides are too difficult to undermine quickly, and forget about trying to get a seige tower up there.

Being a nut for stuff involving seige warfare, this is potentially right up my ally.

Savage orcs don't have very much in the way of a capable seige train, so expecting them to be able to reduce the walls of Middenheim is not really a runner. Middenhiem sits safely on top of a huge, steep plateau with the only approaches easily destroyed, so really their best option might be to just starve the Middenheimers out. Their only other option is the attempt to reach the city through the warren of tunnels under the city, which has all kinds of potential for adventure.

Well, you are right. They are not supposed to be well prepared for a siege. There is so little info in the books about the savage orcs, and also in the forums, that is difficult to know how they will react to this kind of situation, but you are right, Thank you, and to you too Emrikol, i really love your middenheim picture

First time i see it in miniatures.

With no seige engineers, a pile of angry football hooligans for troops and very little concept of what recon is, I'd be willing to wager that the savage orcs attempt at least one frontal assault. The first one will likely be the one that comes closest to succeeding, since it's likely to catch the city with it's pants down. But it will also suffer the heaviest casualties as they are unlikely to have even built a fecking scaling ladder. Then the orcs will probably surround the city and build a few rudementary seige towers, the odd ladder, and maybe one of them might even have a rope! Then it's back again for more fun and frolics, but this time, the gunners on the walls have more to shoot at. If the orcs are particularly thick, an Imperial supply wagon might even have the chance to break through to the city. All the while, the Orcs are sitting in their camps, grumbling about fighting out in the open and like this and generally letting moral plummet like a lead balloon. Unless the Orcs have some particularly good luck or happen upon another method of assaulting the city, the army will tear itself apart from infighting.

If I remember correctly, the savage orcs were from the South and therefore they were dressed up in loincloths and used really primitive weapons and tools. Sooo ... it would require some explanation what they are doing near Middenheim (which is in northern Empire).