Pretty much, can a Space Marine accept further augmentation aside from their implants and the bionic prosthetics that many get? For example, blackbone bracing or the synthetic muscle grafts from Rogue Trader? (and this is completely hypothetical of course. It would require quite a bit of explanation to pull this off convincingly in-game)
Space Marines and further augmentation
Off course they can... Fabius Bile did it for you... Just ask to Emperor children how good it was?
Seriously, nothing made by human hand could challenge the genius of the Emperor. Anything possible already exist in a SM implants.
Change your body further than the emperor will it, will only drives you to heresy, banishing and if you survive long enough right in the eye of terror.
So your position is that its possible, but wouldn't stack and the existing augmentations are superior anyhow?
Nerdynick said:
So your position is that its possible, but wouldn't stack and the existing augmentations are superior anyhow?
What Thebigjul is saying is that the Emperor made Space Marines the way they are for a reason. To defy the Emperor is Heresy. Heresy is the first step towards Chaos.
Go for it.
Corruption should be unavoidable and and the SM in question will be heading towards Renegade and/or Chaos status.
Thank you ItsUncertainWho.
To change the gene of the SM put in play the viabilitty of his geneseed. And then the potential to create an other SM.
Then we are in the dark futur of the 40k millenium, the SM are the product of the most impressive and sophisticated sciences the world have known since the fall of the first galactic conquest of man.
Of course biotech or cybernetics infused by the power of the warp or the strange mutation from xenos race can be done on a SM, it's a large part of the chaos SM arsenal. But chaotic indeed.
If you are interrested by the experiment on SM try to read novels about the Emperor Children, the most perfect warriors from the astartes ( by their word) and their foulish quest to perfect what was done by the Emperor... then look at them now and ask you the question, is it really what I wanna do with my PC or players?
The blackbone bracing is just another piece of cybernetic so there is no reason it should be a problem.
Tech marines start with cybernetics, if the GM allowes stuff from other books he could choose the bracing, no problem.
Things that alter the gegeseed like gene splicing for example are a differen matter thou.
Any appropriate cybernetics, as the need arises, should be fine.
Biological augmentation or splicing, even synthetic slab muscle, would be a deviation of the holy form laid down by the Emperor. Thus, it would be Heresy.
Slab muscle grafts would probably run the risk of bulking out a marine so much that he would have sever trouble fitting into his armor.
Also remember, even after their transformation is complete and all their new organs are functioning a space marine continues, for the rest of his life, to recieve constant chemical and hormone treatment. These are needed to keep his bodies chemestry and the new implants in balance and functioning correctly. Adding to or modifying anything already existing will undoubtedly throw things out of whack and cause no end of troubles. A Marine is also constantly monitored by his apothecaries for health reasons and to ensure his system is working as it should, any changes would be easily noticed by one. Even if you tried to keep it secret.
Where are the rules for 'Blackbone Bracing'?
It's just that I've never heard of that particular bionic upgrade before.
It's okay I found it myself with a bit of searching ;-)
ItsUncertainWho said:
Any appropriate cybernetics, as the need arises, should be fine.
Biological augmentation or splicing, even synthetic slab muscle, would be a deviation of the holy form laid down by the Emperor. Thus, it would be Heresy.
Slab muscle grafts would probably run the risk of bulking out a marine so much that he would have sever trouble fitting into his armor.
Although I appreciate the zealous response this has gotten, what about chapters like the Iron Hands and Steel Confessors? Although that line of thinking is appropriate for the majority of space marines, it is not universal by any means.
Gamewise though I would only allow it if the individual came from a chapter that viewed cybernetics in a good light. Otherwise, you get new eyes when you lose your old ones, and get new limbs when the old ones get blown off. Barring Techmarines, who are already indoctrinated into the Cult Mechanicus and a few special chapters, there aren't many marines that see a benefit to machine parts over their own bodies.
Autarkis02 said:
Although I appreciate the zealous response this has gotten, what about chapters like the Iron Hands and Steel Confessors? Although that line of thinking is appropriate for the majority of space marines, it is not universal by any means.
Gamewise though I would only allow it if the individual came from a chapter that viewed cybernetics in a good light. Otherwise, you get new eyes when you lose your old ones, and get new limbs when the old ones get blown off. Barring Techmarines, who are already indoctrinated into the Cult Mechanicus and a few special chapters, there aren't many marines that see a benefit to machine parts over their own bodies.
I would argue that what I said would be universal with the Iron Hands and their successors being the exception to the vast majority of Chapters. Thier view on cybernetics is unusual, to say the least.