Major Mishap said:

Or it PROOVED* that you don't know how to use your Ludolf variant as it should be used.

* I'm not sure why we are shouting that word but if it is the new interweb thing to do then who am I not to join in with the craze.

I used caps just to accentuate the word, have you tried the card yet or is it all just guesswork without putting into practice? And I do actually know how to play the game thank you. Your thinking is too blinkered on one aspect of the game rather than the whole process which also involves infantry action and receiving fire and how long a unit lasts during a game, If you think it is worth 70pts, go ahead and try it, I bet you won't take it again after it gets wiped out on turn 2 by Steel Rain. Sure maths can give a baseline to a units worth but only playesting can give its true value - which we (that is a group of players) have done.

So finally, what is the consensus?

And for those of you who have criticized the Ludolf and not presented an alternative, how can your opinion be more than just flatulence?

FlorisH said:

Was it really conducive to good gaming for you to start out being rude and nasty? I do not think it was. I think you should be more polite in future. I am no Mr. Nice Guy, but constructive critique is one thing, and being a petulant child is another.

Grand Inquisitor Fulminarex said:

Lets have a look at my post and your response shall we

FlorisH said:

The Ludolf weapons should be halved from the weapons on the Ludwig and the Lothar otherwise they are just to strong.

According to you I started out being rude and nasty. Reading my post it appears that I started out with an opinion about the Ludolf.
It would have been better if I had backed my opinion up by giving a reason why I think the above.

FlorisH said:

A ludwig has two 8.8cm FPK's and the number of dice represent that. So when you remove one of the weapons it will loose half the dice it is really simple when you think about it.

Look at that, it appears that is exactly what I did. Perhaps it isn't a view shared by others but it does explain why I believe my opening statement to be true.
In your post you imply that I am not polite and don't give constructive critique.
Lets take a look at the next part of my post shall we?

FlorisH said:

If you are desperate to keep the number of dice so high that no opponent with a grain of inteligence will want to play against your model then change the profile in another way. Give the weapon a new name and take away the U for range.

Perhaps the grain of inteligence comment was taking it a bit far, however I didn't name anybody or made a rude comment about the poster of the card so I don't think it as bad as you implied (if you can't handle a comment like that one then public forums are perhaps not the best place to spend your time). In regards to your comment about critique, from what I read in that post it is constructive critique seeing that I make a suggestion on how to use the model with only a few changes and keeping the number of dice.

So far I have been a little rude and have backed up my opinion with reasons and alternatives (i.e. constructive critique).
I think we best get back to my original post again and see what else we can deduct from it

FlorisH said:

The same is true for the Mebelwerfer 42 weapon. If you remove half the weapons you remove half the dice.

If you don't you are after the best of both walkers without willing to pay the price for it.

Another example of giving my opinion (it is a public forum after all) and yet again I give a reason for why I'm saying it.
Lets dive back into my post and see what else we find.

FlorisH said:

I know full well that the above will be ignored but after being told of for not standing up for the dignity of Dust Tactics I felt it was my duty to point out what should have been pointed out before any of those cards even had been considered. Be honest your opponents have pointed out the flaws in those cards haven't they.

Right so this is the rude and nasty you are talking about. You see the problem was that you said I started out being rude and nasty and in reality I didn't start that way I ended my post that way.
Well you are rightI about me being rude and nasty, you just decided to ignore everything else in my post and go for that last statement.
Hold on, isn't that what I believed would happen? Lets go back and check shall we?

FlorisH said:

I know full well that the above will be ignored but after . . . .

Look at that.

Was I being a petulant child in my original post? I don't think so, I posted opinions, reasons and suggestions. Perhaps I was a bit rude at the end but other than that there was nothing wrong with my post.

Am I being a petulant child with this post? Hell Yes!

O come on just stop being vicious to each other this is just a friendly forum. I'm sure people come out blunt when they don't mean to its the way typing works. I for one come out that way a lot of times but if you and I were having a face to face conversation I would same the same sentence and you wouldn't think I was being blunt.

And I didn't play my Ludolf rules when I play tested it. I don't play too much Axis my friend did without knowing about it and it worked out fine. You think thats a lot of dice but I can get that many on infantry using a Mickey (I've pulled personally 15 dice on a squad of guys with a hero) and now 3 dice less to it with the Loth (8 dice with both arms) and it has charge so I can move 4 and attack. But mine also has reload now for the Nebelwerfer so it slows the walker down dramatically. Also with the new points system its going to be like 50 points well over the Ludwig or the Lothar.

My real issue with verbiage and attitude in gaming is that some games have few members, and even fewer members interested in discourse on game subjects. When you come across people really into a game, it is best to be cool about their interests and ideas, to foster the growth of the game.

Dust Tactics might look big, but I do not know a single solitary soul in the Miami area who has ever played it, and no who has ever ran it. It is in one store, and none of it moves off the shelves from what I have been told. I am collecting as much of it as I can to be able to field large forces so that my friends, who play Flames of War and WH40k, can afford to play as well without having to risk buying it, since everyone is pinching pennies. So regardless of how big Dust Tactics looks, in fact it is not big, and this is probably more because of the focus of FFG than any problems with the setting. With the new rules coming out, this might help expand the gaming base.

So lets try to foster camaraderie and good gamesmanship, and remember that if you kill the fire people have in this game, you will kill the game eventually. And then it will be on the sale racks, and though I like that idea, it would mean and end to new stuff.