I am not sure if this has been brought up before and I can't seem to find anything to reference in past post on here but...

Recently in our campaign, a player started using a flamer for the first time and used it on a horde. According to the rules, when a flamer is used on a horde it does 1 hit per 5 meters of range (sorry, going off the top of my head here, at work and don't have my book with me) plus an additional 1d5 hits against the horde's magnitude.

Now the question is - do these hits apply against the horde's armor and toughtness first before damaging its magnitude or are the hits directly affecting the magnitude ignoring armor and toughtness? The confusion comes from the fact that the description for flamers in the book says hits, where as for regular damage, you roll damage, take off the armor and toughness (if they apply) and if any get through, a hit is applied (plus any other mods like explosive or a trait).

Thank you for your time.

You're forgetting to roll standard weapon damage. Basically, fire the flamer, roll damage (1d10 + whatever it is for the flamer). Hordes can't catch on fire, generally shouldn't be allowed to dodge the attack. If the attack deals at least one point of damage (after TB and AP), it causes the mag damage (1 point per 5m + 1d5).

AH HA! Now I get it. The Rules weren't quite clear on that, we reread it over and over for flamers and it never implies that one needs to roll the damage first.

Thanks.

Arkidda said:

But damage is range/4 + 1d5, iirc. So Hand Flamer 3+1d5, Flamer 5+1d5, Heavy Flamer 8+1d5. It's nice, especially with Cleanse&Purify.

Librarian's Avenger is also nice due to incredibly good Pen.

Alex