yeah it says you must also spend points on arming terminator armor, why doesnt it say that about artificer armor or regular power armor for that matter. All 3 versions must be armed, unless you want to go around punching the heretek, the alien. . .

once my group gets up to that level i will allow them to sig. terminator armor. However, using it all the time will cost them. Terminator armor simply will not work in certain situations and would make completing the objective impossible. Unless it were vital for the mission I would not put my assault marine in terminator armor, to slow, to big, to noisy. Jump packs only make noise when you're using them.

Terminator Armor does not work with Standard Issue Wargear. You don't just pick up a gun with Terminator Armor, it integrates with the weapons in a more complicated fashion and has a pickier Machine Spirit, which is why only certain weapons can be used with it, and why the cost of the Armor is thus higher than 70 Requisition - you HAVE to get certain weapons with it as a package deal.

Per the errata you can not use signature wargear to get terminator armor as the 100 is a packaged deal and can't be broken up.

So I am trying to teach myself the whole system before Gencon playing one on one with my kid. I have enough of the gist of it from playing the board game and my other RPG games but the signature war gear is getting me a bit. It seems like the signature war gear is a waste of time at rank 1 because it doesn't seem like you can earn enough renown before hitting rank 2 to become respected, yet I see people posting about rank 1 characters adding stom bolters. I am working on my character for gencon right now. Fantasy Flight said to follow the start up rules then add another 5000xp which makes me rank 2. I am waiting on a reply from them about rather or not we are initiate or respected renown before i finish spending my points. I am debating between the storm bolter and the motion predictor for my tech marine's signature wargear. I was thinking that I would take the predictor because I can attach it to a storm bolter if the req points are there to acquire it for the mission and I have it on my regular bolter if the points are not available. Are you able to take respected items from the SWG without having the renown…that seems to go against what i have read.

bucketheadklunk said:

Two things.

First, to your question: No, you may not purchase wargear with renown requirements above your current renown using signature wargear.

Second: Weapon upgrades or attachments can not be purchased seperate from an actual weapon. They may be included in the signature wargear purchase of, say, a new bolter; but they can not be requisitioned alone with signature wargear.

herichimo said:

Upgrades are upgrades, meaning there must be something to upgrade in the first place. You may purchase an upgrade WITH the item you are requesitioning through the talent, but you cannot upgrade nothing.

herichimo said:

But would you let, say, a Devastator purchase a motion predictor for his standard issue Heavy Bolter as signature wargear? What if he then bought a Storm Bolter with mission requisition, would you let him transfer his predictor to the new weapon?

Personally I'd say yes to both.

To question 1: Conditionally yes. Condition: The heavy bolter AND the sight were under 20 requisition. Even if, for roleplay purposes, you are not getting a "new" weapon; you must still count the original weapon's requisition cost in addition to any upgrades or modifications.

Question 2: Definately not. Ignoring the fact it is not supported by rules as written, or the intent of the rules; the general attitude towards technology in WH40K universe doesn't support this action. Neither for that matter would real practical reasons. Scopes are built and designed to work with one type of weapon, one size of bullet, and one length of barrel. Any one of these changes and your sight becomes practically useless.
Your motion predictor is designed for the heavy bolter's barrel length and the .99 bolt round. A storm bolter's rounds (.75, different barrel length) have different ballistics, so all the aiming suggestions the predictor is giving you would be useless and flat out wrong for a different weapon (or even a normal bolter). (Not considering the fact the mounting lugs are probably not compatible, 40K tech isn't designed to be interchangable.)

38,000 years from now when each weapon has it's own (nebulously defined, possibly only superstiion) machine spirit it seems possible to me that a sight could be reconfigured to work with two, or more, different guns, heck, I can buy a sniper scope today with markings for two different rounds so it can be used on two different rifles. I could very much see attatching the scope to a weapon, it interrogating the machine spirit, and adjusting it's predictions accordingly. It would probably require a tech-use roll to do this in the field though due to calibrations and whatnot.

As for modularity? that's basically what Marines DO! Their armour is designed so parts from a half dozen different marks, and goodness knows how many sub-marks, can swap and interchange pieces and components at will. Their standard transport, the Rhino, can be reconfigured into at least 2 different types of tank (Predator, Vindicator) Artillery (Whirlwind) or IFV (Razorback). The Land Raider has another half dozen variants (Phobos, Crusader, Achilles, Helios, etc). There is also somewhat of a tradition of field improvistations becoming standard throughout chapters (Predator Annihilator, Land Raider Redeemer).

But they can't take a sight off one gun and attach it to another? That stretches my disbelief somewhat

Sigh...

Despite it making no sense whatsover, I sent the question up to Mr. Flanders who says you can purchase single upgrades with signature wargear.

Never let it be said I am not concientiously equitable.

(Just for the impressionable readers out there: No there are no scopes designed for two different ballistics, that is hogwash and the original poster would not be able to provide an example. Two Marine armour and vehicles are in fact NOT modular, as changing any part or piece of them would require a lot of time, effort, and recourses. A desk is no more modular because I can take a saw, hammer, glue, and nails to it and turn it into shelving.)

Do i lose my starting bolter if i use sig wargear to 'own a heavy flamer?

38,000 years from now when each weapon has it's own (nebulously defined, possibly only superstiion) machine spirit it seems possible to me that a sight could be reconfigured to work with two, or more, different guns, heck, I can buy a sniper scope today with markings for two different rounds so it can be used on two different rifles. I could very much see attatching the scope to a weapon, it interrogating the machine spirit, and adjusting it's predictions accordingly. It would probably require a tech-use roll to do this in the field though due to calibrations and whatnot.

As for modularity? that's basically what Marines DO! Their armour is designed so parts from a half dozen different marks, and goodness knows how many sub-marks, can swap and interchange pieces and components at will. Their standard transport, the Rhino, can be reconfigured into at least 2 different types of tank (Predator, Vindicator) Artillery (Whirlwind) or IFV (Razorback). The Land Raider has another half dozen variants (Phobos, Crusader, Achilles, Helios, etc). There is also somewhat of a tradition of field improvistations becoming standard throughout chapters (Predator Annihilator, Land Raider Redeemer).

But they can't take a sight off one gun and attach it to another? That stretches my disbelief somewhat

You are imparting logic from current technology and context to that of an imaginary time in the future. They don't even have stabilized gun sights for vehicles to be able to fire on the move for Pete's sake. There are "select" items, skills, traits that "resemble" some of what is current for the pure basis of making it logically plausible.....that's it. It's a make believe universe within a game.

Do i lose my starting bolter if i use sig wargear to 'own a heavy flamer?

No, but you might not be able to carry it (If your GM uses the Five hands rule, where a heavy weapon is three hands, a basic weapon is two, and a pistol or non-great melee weapon is one)

Never heard of the five hands rule, ever, before tom brought it up in another topic. Use it if you like, but I find it a bit too unrealistic in many cases.

My suggestion is to just apply logic. There really isn't anywhere to "stow" a heavy weapon on a space marine's person. So usually that means it's either in your hands or in the dirt. A bolter, pistol, knife (1 of ea), grenades (6 ish), and ammo (2-3 for pistol, 3-8 for bolter; less if carrying heavy ammo) is easy to carry on your person. A couple of pouches for stuff you need to carry around, a solar panel and personal heraldry stored in the tiny tiny storage compartment on the backpack, and maybe you have enough room left for a basic weapon or two. Again, heavies aren't really docked to an armor spot.

As to your question, tom is right, you do not loose it if you requisition another weapon. It's probably the one you brought with you from your own chapter, I doubt your character would want to give it up.