An assualt marine starts with pilot personal so i take it this is the jump pack

what other skills will they need if they wish to pilot a landspeeder storm for example ?

Drive (Skimmer/Hoverer)

Alex

and tunderhawk is more of flyer or space ship? (it can fight in space as gunship, its landing craft that can move between ship on orbit and landing zone, also its normal atmosphere gunship/transporter)

boruta666 said:

I believe it has more in common with an aircraft than an Emperor-class Battleship.

Alex

The Guncutter in RT is a Space Ship, so I presume the Thunderhawk is a Space Ship too for purpose of Skill

Santiago said:

Right, but the class of a vehicle is not what decides which skill governs its operation, merely the extent to its operational theater.

Per the Pilot skill write up in Rogue Trader and Deathwatch both:

• "Characters utilise the Pilot Skill to fly anything from personal jump packs, to small atmospheric craft such as landers and gun-cutters, to void-capable fighters, bombers, and capital vessels."

Honestly, I think Flyer is intended to cover small craft; things like Landers, Gun-Cutters, Thunderhawks, Fighters and Bombers. Space Craft seems intended for the bigger stuff, System Ships, Transports, Escorts, Ships of the Line and the like.

But, we can go around and around on the point.

-=Brother Praetus=-

Yes we could,

I was highly suprised that the Gun Cutter was a Space Craft, I think Pilot (Flyers) is for atmospheric crafts

Santiago said:

Going back further, whether you want to consider the old Vehicle Apocrypha as having been canon to the rules or not; though it was, and had been stated so by BI, the Guncutter fell under the Pilot (Military Craft) skill, which seems to have been combined with Pilot (Civilian Craft) to create the newer skill Pilot (Flyer).

Just my thought.

-=Brother Praetus=-

I would go one further:

I'd say that, when flying anything in an atmosphere (an Aquila Shuttle, Fury Interceptor, Guncutter, whatever) you use Pilot (Flyer).

When you fly anything in space (including an Aquila Shuttle, Guncutter, etc) you use Pilot (Space Craft).

This is because flying in atmosphere is entirely different from flying in space with zero gee, etc.

That seems to make the most sense to me.

MILLANDSON said:

+1. That's a thought that hadn't occured to me yet. Good thinking here.

Alex

ak-73 said:

Viable. Given the "under most circumstance a skill test is not required" bit, I'd say this need only apply for combat or flying in adverse conditions; storms in atmosphere, solar flare activity in space, otherwise one or the other skill would be enough to pilot a "simple" reentry and landing, or take off and escape to orbit. It's when the excrement hits the atmosphere purifier that there becomes an issue.

-=Brother Praetus=-

Brother Praetus said:

I'd probably house rule that you can fly in the other condition as untrained basic.

Alex