So I was just checking my wishlist on Thoughthammer....they have both units as "Out of Stock" replenish in 30 days.

Before they both said..."Dec 2008" Does that mean they are shipping?

I am pretty sure that the real translation to those two events was more likely:

FFG told Thought Hammer that they would get them in December . No such item arrived. FFG has not given a new Thought Hammer Arrive By Date . Rather than put an arbitrary date, Thought Hammer decided to use Restock in 30 Days.

So I am thinking this worse news than ever ...