The one thing that gives me hope for the long term future of this game is that this community is robust creativity wise. We've seen countless small projects aiming to create involved multi-mission campaigns, alternative tournament structures, even going as far as doing a ship-by-ship stats and point cost overhaul during the first edition. One major thing stiffling a total take over of the rules is the base level confidence in FFG doing a very good job with 2nd edition and having to "compete" against them. The overwhelming majority of players rally with the official take on things. My thinking is that there is pent-up high quality creativity that hasn't expressed itself yet.

But, what if this game really, officially, commercially tanks in a year or 2 after a couple of waves?

I'm confident there'll be a one or a few major banners for community-driven efforts at maintaining the games, updating the points and shaping an evolving meta with the stock of ships we have, at least for a few years still. I might be rosy-tintend glasses on that one, but I'm thinking the power vacuum in the reins of this game will induce this.

X-Wing definitely has a ‘Nisei’ future of community support once it’s no longer a viable commercial enterprise.

I have enough stuff all the way around that I'm not sure how much "new" I really need any longer. I want this next wave and I am re-considering trying to collect the 1st Edition versions of the Huge Ships and maybe just adding stuff for larger games but if this is the end I'm alright.

17 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

I have enough stuff all the way around that I'm not sure how much "new" I really need any longer. I want this next wave and I am re-considering trying to collect the 1st Edition versions of the Huge Ships and maybe just adding stuff for larger games but if this is the end I'm alright.

That’s exactly the problem AMG urgently need to solve.

12 minutes ago, Stay OT Leader said:

That’s exactly the problem AMG urgently need to solve.

They better, no way im buying star wars ships from scratch to a some what similar game. But game expansions with hotac like contents, ground combat, Space race etc would be cool. Expansions that widens the use of the ships we already own. Maybe even with pilots fitting the expansion. Sure you can play mr racer Ace in the game, but he is mostly good at going fast. Etc.

Frankly, the future is cardboard.

I will buy all the cardboard you can throw at me.

I don't really have room for more plastic, even new stuff that's cool. I don't fly enough of my existing plastic as-is.

Give me campaign (coop or competitive), objectives, narratives, etc. and I'll just throw money at you. More epic support and I'll throw money at you. More 2.0-relevant content for Rebels and Empire I'll throw money at you. I don't really want more Republic/Scum/FO tbh, and I'm not bought into Resistance or Separatists.

14 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Frankly, the future is cardboard.

I will buy all the cardboard you can throw at me.

I don't really have room for more plastic, even new stuff that's cool. I don't fly enough of my existing plastic as-is.

Give me campaign (coop or competitive), objectives, narratives, etc. and I'll just throw money at you. More epic support and I'll throw money at you. More 2.0-relevant content for Rebels and Empire I'll throw money at you. I don't really want more Republic/Scum/FO tbh, and I'm not bought into Resistance or Separatists.

You're not wrong. I pretty much want nothing to do with sequels stuff not Mandalorian. I don't really need more models. I have lots of models. I need easier ways to make interesting games with the things I have. Especially things that someone who doesn't own any of this stuff can come over and jump in and play.

42 minutes ago, ClassicalMoser said:

Frankly, the future is cardboard.

...if the future us cardboard, why are Asmodee moving X-Wing, Legion and Armada to a "miniatures specialist"?

I really doubt that Atomic Mess Games will just be putting out card packs.

Cardpacks were a good solution for us veterans who have a helluva lot of plastic. And it didn't interfere with rereleased material for new players. I hope they can maintain that idea, i mean if not what are the options, the business model of 1.0 when we bought ships just the cards or a fully App supported game...idk.

I must add that Shick is kind of a troll and looks like the thrills on players fear...xD

3 hours ago, FTS Gecko said:

...if the future us cardboard, why are Asmodee moving X-Wing, Legion and Armada to a "miniatures specialist"?

I really doubt that Atomic Mess Games will just be putting out card packs.

Yeah, plastic + cardboard is a defining feature of XWM.

3 hours ago, Cpdio said:

Cardpacks were a good solution for us veterans who have a helluva lot of plastic.

As a veteran collector, I still want plastic. I like the ships, and I like to see SW ships sculpted in 1/270. I have bought a lot of Shapeways stuff for that very reason. BUT, I like that there is a game based around the cool minis I want to collect. It makes them more than just 3D fanboy junk.

Still:

4 hours ago, ClassicalMoser said:

I will buy all the cardboard you can throw at me.

Give me campaign (coop or competitive), objectives, narratives, etc. and I'll just throw money at you. More epic support and I'll throw money at you.

All this.

Lastly, at some point all 7 factions will be filled with enough plastic options that somebody had better have an idea about "what's next," whether that's oddball one-offs, new factions, subfactions, repaints and reissues, rotations with revisions, or some combination of all of the above.

At some point X-Wing will die. It’s natural.

12 minutes ago, Stay OT Leader said:

At some point X-Wing will die. It’s natural.

Memento Mori.

25 minutes ago, Stay OT Leader said:

At some point X-Wing will die. It’s natural.

Sure.

But a lot of people seem to be trying to pronounce just because it's transferring to a new hospital.

I'm giving AMG a chance.

We'll see what happens, but after this wave, I'm comfortable with my collection. The guys I play with are moving away from X-Wing into more group-oriented games anyway.

1 hour ago, feltipern1 said:

We'll see what happens, but after this wave, I'm comfortable with my collection. The guys I play with are moving away from X-Wing into more group-oriented games anyway.

Well, team xwing could be a thing if FFG, er AMG, wanted it to.

I've done it. It's fun and social. And stuff like that has represented lots of lost opportunities, IMHO.

A lot of that was beginning to happen within the fan base as 1.0 was burning down, and then got lost when 2.0 made deathmatch xwing viable again.

While I don't want the cards, dials, and mechanics to change, there is tons of room for play style innovation.

I don't have the will to trust any player group of this game to do the balancing unless they can publicly share and show all of the known data and all of the rules that cause balancing change.

If it becomes fan-based fractious, the game might be dead.

We need a solid point base.

On 11/18/2020 at 12:30 PM, Stay OT Leader said:

X-Wing definitely has a ‘Nisei’ future of community support once it’s no longer a viable commercial enterprise.

Hopefully a bit more friendly version of Nisei though 😀

The games been kinda dead for awhile. The few people I know who still play use house rules so much that Im not too worried.

16 hours ago, Vontoothskie said:

The games been kinda dead for awhile. The few people I know who still play use house rules so much that Im not too worried.

What game are you talking about?