3 hours ago, toffolone said:

I expect a huge change in the game (s).

That's in order to avoid keep paying royalties to people no more working on the producys but still appearing as authors of the game.

So the have to completly change the game in order to cancel old authors.

Generally speaking (and as someone with a job with this kind of contract), when you are doing this kind of creative work for a company, the company owns what you create, not the individual to avoid just what you described. The only "royalties" they get is their salary while they are employed. Otherwise, an individual who wrote a wildly popular game could freely leave the company, taking the game with them.

@Tris87TJ Not always. I've seen plenty of times where someone is working on a major project and leaves without properly "handing off" everything for one reason or another. Especially if the company doesn't want the input as to where the previous employee was taking things, since they are planning on going a different route.

The people taking over are also game designers who likely have their own ideas for where to take the games, so input from former employees doesn't matter one bit if they aren't around to implement them. Also, since they have the same job title, it is often assumed that they are capable of doing the job without input from the last employee who held the position.

8 hours ago, buckero0 said:

AMG is in Seattle, FFG is in Minneapolis, is that what you mean by city being twice the cost?

From what I was told, yeah.

@buckero0 @Darth Sanguis There are also other considerations besides monetary to a cross country move like that. It means leaving any friends, family, or loved ones who aren't moving with you behind, without being able to easily see the people in person.

Not to mention the general headache of moving that far.

5 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

@buckero0 @Darth Sanguis There are also other considerations besides monetary to a cross country move like that. It means leaving any friends, family, or loved ones who aren't moving with you behind, without being able to easily see the people in person.

Not to mention the general headache of moving that far.

Yeah, that's what i was thinking. If they 've worked at FFG for 10years, it would be difficult to not have created relationships, bought property, have kids or significant other's job to consider. This isn't the best time to be selling a house and moving to Covid ground zero

3 minutes ago, buckero0 said:

Yeah, that's what i was thinking. If they 've worked at FFG for 10years, it would be difficult to not have created relationships, bought property, have kids or significant other's job to consider. This isn't the best time to be selling a house and moving to Covid ground zero

I mean, the real estate market in the Twin Cities is pretty seller friendly right now despite the pandemic (unless you live in Minneapolis proper, which is a bit of a **** show). But, there’s still all the other factors. I’d say family would be the biggest consideration in moving.

It’s the number one reason I stay where I am: family and community.

19 hours ago, Weikel said:

I don't like the end where they are looking to add more Star Wars mini games. I'm worried they focus on their own brainchildren and backseat their adopted games.

Still too early to tell. But it sounds like Alex and Luke who were the heart of the game are being left out. I've got a bad feeling about this.

It seems to me that a Star Wars version of Crisis Protocol is very likely. Something without a "board" like Imperial Assault has but fewer miniatures than Legion so they can be bigger and the game becomes tertiary to selling unpainted Star Wars figure models at $30 a pair.

41 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

@buckero0 @Darth Sanguis There are also other considerations besides monetary to a cross country move like that. It means leaving any friends, family, or loved ones who aren't moving with you behind, without being able to easily see the people in person.

Not to mention the general headache of moving that far.

Oh absolutely. I made this point to a couple people today already lol I also heard that while a few of them were offered the opportunity to reapply and relocate, they weren't given any compensation to do so. So packing up and moving would be entirely on their own dime.

2 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

It seems to me that a Star Wars version of Crisis Protocol is very likely. Something without a "board" like Imperial Assault has but fewer miniatures than Legion so they can be bigger and the game becomes tertiary to selling unpainted Star Wars figure models at $30 a pair.

The major complication I see is that staying strictly in canon you end up with significantly fewer characters people will recognize over MCP. Now, maybe they incorporate more "nameless" characters, but I think it likely that the LFG would want greater restrictions in team building to prevent say Luke and Vader being on the same team. Marvel is a bit more lose about team ups in canon honestly.

9 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

The major complication I see is that staying strictly in canon you end up with significantly fewer characters people will recognize over MCP. Now, maybe they incorporate more "nameless" characters, but I think it likely that the LFG would want greater restrictions in team building to prevent say Luke and Vader being on the same team. Marvel is a bit more lose about team ups in canon honestly.

Well there are some kinks to work out but as I've mentioned in Armada and X-wing (don't play Legion but I was trying to figure out what products you guys had hanging as I'm concerned about whether I should cancel my Clone Wars Armada pre-order) I heard a story about Games Workshop some time back. The executives showed up at the offices and lost their minds that all the employees were playing games. The executives were running a model company not a game company. I'm worried about how much all of these games are going to suffer for the sake of selling models and whether I might need to start assembling and painting new spaceships.

Larger scale unpainted Star Wars figures aren't really a thing at the moment aside from Legion. And I would be talking 40mm or 50mm not the 32mm of Legion or the even smaller Imperial Assault.

8 minutes ago, Frimmel said:

Well there are some kinks to work out but as I've mentioned in Armada and X-wing (don't play Legion but I was trying to figure out what products you guys had hanging as I'm concerned about whether I should cancel my Clone Wars Armada pre-order) I heard a story about Games Workshop some time back. The executives showed up at the offices and lost their minds that all the employees were playing games. The executives were running a model company not a game company. I'm worried about how much all of these games are going to suffer for the sake of selling models and whether I might need to start assembling and painting new spaceships.

Larger scale unpainted Star Wars figures aren't really a thing at the moment aside from Legion. And I would be talking 40mm or 50mm not the 32mm of Legion or the even smaller Imperial Assault.

Yes, I understand that one of the concerns is a change to the existing games. But still, the problem is the game design still has to be approved by LFG, which DOES care about how the games represent the universe.
That's not to say that some kind of game is completely impossible, but there isn't quite as much profit to be made in my opinion on a game centered solely on characters (like MCP) as opposed to the mixture like Legion. SO only time will tell honestly.

Good or bad, getting rid of the original team was a **** thing to do, to them and the fans of the game(s).

Sounds like time to stock up on what I need now.

5 hours ago, Frimmel said:

It seems to me that a Star Wars version of Crisis Protocol is very likely. Something without a "board" like Imperial Assault has but fewer miniatures than Legion so they can be bigger and the game becomes tertiary to selling unpainted Star Wars figure models at $30 a pair.

That would compete with MCP and legion, I just don’t see it. It seems like a bad idea if they do try it.

2 minutes ago, NeverTellMeTheOdds said:

That would compete with MCP and legion, I just don’t see it. It seems like a bad idea if they do try it.

If MCP is an excuse to sell unpainted super-hero models then selling unpainted Star Wars models isn't really competition so much as a different audience for unpainted models with a bunch of possible overlap with hobbyists.

1 minute ago, Frimmel said:

If MCP is an excuse to sell unpainted super-hero models then selling unpainted Star Wars models isn't really competition so much as a different audience for unpainted models with a bunch of possible overlap with hobbyists.

MCP is a different scale than Legion. A Star Wars version of MCP will compete DIRECTLY with both MCP and Legion. It would be a terrible business move as it doesn't provide something new.

Sad 😥

@Mokoshkana Thanks for posting that. That's what I figured happened, why let any of the staff know, since then it will almost assuredly leak prior to the company being ready to make the announcement.
It really stinks for all those who have lost their job, as it did for the RPG department, and whoever might have lost their job when the card sleeve department quietly folded. I hope Alex and the other employees that have lost their jobs are able to land on their feet.

22 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:

MCP is a different scale than Legion. A Star Wars version of MCP will compete DIRECTLY with both MCP and Legion. It would be a terrible business move as it doesn't provide something new.

I could see this tied to a different style game than what is already available.

I don't think (I'm regularly proved wrong) that they should be doing that right now, whoever is taking the helm, is going to need all the help and luck making the transition as smooth as possible and keep the product moving to the shelves, so they're going to need to hit the ground running. Otherwise, you'll notice a considerable gap in product, or a downturn in quality of design.

34 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:

Sad 😥

is this facebook or twitter?

Just now, buckero0 said:

is this facebook or twitter?

Pretty sure it is facebook, but I got it from discord.

45 minutes ago, Mokoshkana said:

Sad 😥

I'm really torn by this. I've had my gripes with the game since day one, but I always had a great deal of respect for the devs and the hard work they put in. For ANA to come in and just fire people like that. It's pretty ******. I love this game but I really don't know how I feel about supporting an organization that does that.

Been waiting for new rules and points to come out so haven't bought any of the new expansions. Gonna keep from buying untill we get some real information. Kicking out the guy who designed the game is just a **** move so I have no faith in this moving forward.

What a **** way to do things. Luckily I think my collection is about complete. I don't collect CW era, and was always more of a casual player. I'll likely still pick up Lando at least, and maybe the other GCW era sets that are supposed to be coming out early next year. But I don't know if I will be collecting much after that. I'll wait and see. I'll continue to play and enjoy Legion for now, but I also play and enjoy other games that are not controlled by asmodee. I hope AMG fallows Alex's last bit of advice, and that they don't "**** it up".

As a personal aside I'd like to thank Alex Davy and the whole development team for making a game that has provided me with countless hours of enjoyment. I hope that those of you who lost your jobs land on your feet, and I hope to play games that you develop again in the future.

@Darth Sanguis Unfortunately, that kind of thing happens with fair regularity, the public just doesn't always know about it.

All the same I'm not surprised, this is the same as what happened to the RPG staff. When the department is moved to a different company, it's not like FFG has any further work for the people in that department. Ideally the other FFG departments should already have enough staff, and part of the point of merging the miniature products under a single company was to make it so they need less staff overall. Keeping the entire department doesn't reduce staffing at all.

Still, it super sucks for everyone involved, and I'll be keeping an eye out for their next projects. Thanks for their work on the games, and I wish them all the best.

1 hour ago, Mokoshkana said:

Sad 😥

Asmodee: This is NOT the Way.