Any good? Meh?

I just see her as an I5 1300 with a force charge that's not as good as Lando, please correct me if I'm wrong.

She's pretty ok.

Her offense is better, but I ended up missing Han's defensive rerolls too much.

I feel suffers being in a faction where there are very few cheap force using pilots. Sure you have Ezra, but the Attack Shuttle isn't technically in 2.0 yet, and he isn't fantastic. Then there's Kanan, at that point you're running a 2 large base ships, one that doesn't even include a turret and we know how that tends to go. Their abilities don't compliment each other. They would if Kanan's wasn't restricted to arc and definitely would be better if Kanan worked on himself but that's an issue with Kanan and not with Leia.

Not flown her with Luke, which is clearly who she's designed to fly alongside given the X-Wing has some decent red maneuvers and Luke's very defensive driven force ability that can quickly drain out if he has to spend his charges often.

Then there's the issue of the Force giving crew/gunner not being that amazing on anyone other than Leia herself really. That being said Leia's ability is very useful on herself, being able to sloop or K and still get a focus, so long as you're able to think ahead on where your turrets need to be (or you have agile gunner) is really beneficial as it provides an action when your normally wouldn't have it.

She is good, and she is 6 points cheaper than Lando because Lando always takes Nien crew. Lando is a better support pilot, but Leia does well. Always having lock + force is good. And even if you boost, you still have a passive force for mods.

34 minutes ago, 5050Saint said:

She is good, and she is 6 points cheaper than Lando because Lando always takes Nien crew. Lando is a better support pilot, but Leia does well. Always having lock + force is good. And even if you boost, you still have a passive force for mods.

Unlike Lando, she can actually sloop or hard turn, she's much less predictable, and can still have mods after a bump.

I like her with Mag-Pulse, hits hard early on and then a boosting I5 with passive mods is solid as the game goes on.

She is costed fairly which makes her borderline unplayable like always.

She's a bargain but exists in a faction without crazy stuff so that puts a damper on things. She's really durable and her pilot ability is quite strong for maximizing value out of some of the clunkier rebel ships. At worst she's a durable boosting turret with a passive mod.

7 hours ago, Ebak said:

I feel suffers being in a faction where there are very few cheap force using pilots.

What’s that have to do with anything? Nothing requires her to only fly alongside other Force users.

Lando is better when you don't need him, and worse when you do. Leia is the opposite.

1 hour ago, Cpt ObVus said:

What’s that have to do with anything? Nothing requires her to only fly alongside other Force users.

I'm guessing they mean so as to leverage the Force-passing part of her text?

Underrated by most of the community, which is the standard for any competitive game.

Even if you never use her ability, she's an I5 large base 3 dice butterfly arc with native boost and a force. Now she always has a mod for her green die and can take target lock for her offense. And when she sloops, she can still have a full focus token.

All that said, her Hyperspace matchups aren't great; the YT-1300 doesn't like lists with 4+ ships.

1 hour ago, Cpt ObVus said:

What’s that have to do with anything? Nothing requires her to only fly alongside other Force users.

Well, for the second part of her ability, giving force back, would be more useful if there were more force users.

8 hours ago, Ebak said:

Well, for the second part of her ability, giving force back, would be more useful if there were more force users.

That part of her text is a nothingburger. Focus tokens are almost always better than a single Force point anyway. Think about it. If you had say, Ezra in Sabine’s TIE, in a hotspot, where he needs mods, and he’s out of Force, and he completes a red K-turn or something, and you have the chance to give him a Focus token or a Force point, what do you give him? 9/10 times, you choose Focus anyway, right?

I mostly think that the best part about Leia is that you get an inherently powerful, survivable, very fast ship like the Falcon, that can zoom & boost around the board, blasting away with that big turret, and it natively has access to the Force, without having to put an expensive Crew upgrade like Kanan aboard. Y’just give her the Falcon Title, maybe an Engine Upgrade, and call it a day. The text may occasionally help out another ship, but the Focus token is usually the best part about that. ****, she can even use that ability on herself, if she pulls off a K-turn or an S-loop; a Focus token is better than a Force point in combat.

I have had some personal fun with her and 3 Blue Escort X-wings.

4 hours ago, KiraYamatoSF said:

I have had some personal fun with her and 3 Blue Escort X-wings.

Interesting; and the points come out on the nose.

Leia Organa (77)
Millennium Falcon (3)

Ship total: 80 Half Points: 40 Threshold: 7

Blue Squadron Escort (40)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)

Ship total: 40 Half Points: 20 Threshold: 3

Blue Squadron Escort (40)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)

Ship total: 40 Half Points: 20 Threshold: 3

Blue Squadron Escort (40)
Servomotor S-Foils (0)

Ship total: 40 Half Points: 20 Threshold: 3

Total: 200

4 hours ago, KiraYamatoSF said:

I have had some personal fun with her and 3 Blue Escort X-wings.

Last time I flew fangs (4x Skull), I lost to Leia with 3 Blue Escorts.

8 hours ago, Cpt ObVus said:

That part of her text is a nothingburger. Focus tokens are almost always better than a single Force point anyway. Think about it. If you had say, Ezra in Sabine’s TIE, in a hotspot, where he needs mods, and he’s out of Force, and he completes a red K-turn or something, and you have the chance to give him a Focus token or a Force point, what do you give him? 9/10 times, you choose Focus anyway, right?

I mostly think that the best part about Leia is that you get an inherently powerful, survivable, very fast ship like the Falcon, that can zoom & boost around the board, blasting away with that big turret, and it natively has access to the Force, without having to put an expensive Crew upgrade like Kanan aboard. Y’just give her the Falcon Title, maybe an Engine Upgrade, and call it a day. The text may occasionally help out another ship, but the Focus token is usually the best part about that. ****, she can even use that ability on herself, if she pulls off a K-turn or an S-loop; a Focus token is better than a Force point in combat.

Of course getting a Foucs is a good thing. However, Force regen is also a part of her ability and I don't think it should be ignored. I never said she was terrible, but she suffers from the fact that her ability wouldn't be as widely useful as it would be in a faction like Republic.

13 hours ago, Ebak said:

Of course getting a Foucs is a good thing. However, Force regen is also a part of her ability and I don't think it should be ignored. I never said she was terrible, but she suffers from the fact that her ability wouldn't be as widely useful as it would be in a faction like Republic.

You’re letting the devs fool you, my friend!

Seriously, you could surround Leia with Force users... go ahead and do it now, fly her with Luke and Ezra, or Kanan and Ezra... the Force Regen is not what’s helpful. It’s the Focus you’re after, not the Force. Think about it: Ezra pulls a K-turn and lines up a range 1 shot. Leia passes him a Force token. He fires his shot, and rolls 3 eyes. The Force token allows him to change one eye to a hit. Woop-de-doo. Had you passed him a Focus, those three eyes ALL change to hits. 1 hit vs. 3 hits... which is better?

Sure, there might be some weird edge case where the Force point is better, but I’m struggling to think of any situation where I’d want a Force point over a Focus token. When is the Force point better?

You could even pick Leia straight up and put her in a faction like the Republic, and you’d still almost never use her ability to regenerate Force points.

Leia’s great, but her value would not significantly increase in a faction filled with Force-capable pilots.

16 hours ago, theBitterFig said:

Last time I flew fangs (4x Skull), I lost to Leia with 3 Blue Escorts.

A little off-topic here, but why do people even fly Blue Squadron Escorts when they have access to Cavern Angels Zealots? The points saved may not be much, but isn’t a mini-bid worth more than the minor initiative bump that the BSE’s get?

1 minute ago, Cpt ObVus said:

A little off-topic here, but why do people even fly Blue Squadron Escorts when they have access to Cavern Angels Zealots? The points saved may not be much, but isn’t a mini-bid worth more than the minor initiative bump that the BSE’s get?

Cause BSE can IN kill droids that my friend oh so loves to fly.

4 hours ago, Cpt ObVus said:

Seriously, you could surround Leia with Force users... go ahead and do it now, fly her with Luke and Ezra, or Kanan and Ezra... the Force Regen is not what’s helpful. It’s the Focus you’re after, not the Force. Think about it: Ezra pulls a K-turn and lines up a range 1 shot. Leia passes him a Force token. He fires his shot, and rolls 3 eyes. The Force token allows him to change one eye to a hit. Woop-de-doo. Had you passed him a Focus, those three eyes ALL change to hits. 1 hit vs. 3 hits... which is better?

Although I do agree with you, small nitpick in that your example is not completly correct. Ezra can change 2 eyes to a hit or evade with the force while stressed. Not just one.

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You could even pick Leia straight up and put her in a faction like the Republic, and you’d still almost never use her ability to regenerate Force points.

Leia’s great, but her value would not significantly increase in a faction filled with Force-capable pilots.

Here I disagree. In Republic her force recharging ability would be more usefull. As the republic has many force users that have abilities with a force cost. So after spending your last force on fine tuned control and then getting a force back to use on for example Luminara's ability might in some circumstances be a better option then getting a focus.

7 hours ago, Cpt ObVus said:

A little off-topic here, but why do people even fly Blue Squadron Escorts when they have access to Cavern Angels Zealots?

Hyperspace.

7 hours ago, Cpt ObVus said:

A little off-topic here, but why do people even fly Blue Squadron Escorts when they have access to Cavern Angels Zealots? The points saved may not be much, but isn’t a mini-bid worth more than the minor initiative bump that the BSE’s get?

Both @Spinland and @KiraYamatoSF answer this.

I flew against it in Hyperspace, where CAZ are not allowed. Leia + 3X seems likely to be a list only decent in HS.

Also, with all the Init 1s, I do kinda think a lot of the Init 2s are worth it. Droids, to be sure, but also Scyks and some Fangs and TIE/fo.

On 10/29/2020 at 2:41 AM, KiraYamatoSF said:

I have had some personal fun with her and 3 Blue Escort X-wings.

Ha! I was going for a no upgrades Leia and three BSP B-Wings next week to take a break from non stop Republic flying. Now I'm having to debate Bs or Xs.