Hello, a question appeared this morning while discussing the new Cad Bane card. The Uncanny Luck keyword seems to establish that the defense dice are rerolled during attack step number 8: Modify defense dice. This is written as such both in Cad Bane's card and in the RRG (but not in Han Solo's card).

However, the rules also say that defense dice are re-rolled, if any, during step 7b. Right now, there's nothing in the game that could make you re-roll defense dice during step 7b, so it seems strange. Considering that applying surges happens during step 7c, this means that both Han and Cad Bane cannot apply their natural surge to the re-rolled dice. Could someone confirm that this is the intention?

Without an official source I can say with absolute 100% certainty that that is not the intention. Otherwise every single person who has ever played Han has used that ability incorrectly for the last two years, and has never been corrected by any tournament official or game dev.

Per the rules he’s right. Either it’s a typo in the rules reference that noones caught, or it’s never come up before because no ones challenged it. But per the rules as written, you cannot apply surges to uncanny luck rerolls.

9 minutes ago, Lochlan said:

Without an official source I can say with absolute 100% certainty that that is not the intention. Otherwise every single person who has ever played Han has used that ability incorrectly for the last two years, and has never been corrected by any tournament official or game dev.

It's just bizarre. It seems no one has noticed until now, and the issue is the presence of that totally unnecessary bullet point. If it was flat out deleted then the ability would work smoothly as intended and without questions, there wouldn't even need to be an addition since the attack steps clearly tell you when to reroll defense dice. I don't recall them changing the attack steps since the game came out, but I could be wrong.

One reason I doubt this is the intention is because it goes staunchly against the relative simplicity of the rest of Legion's rules. Some defence die getting Surge->Block while others do not due to timing is not an obvious interaction. As Lochlan mentioned, everyone has been playing it wrong for years then, including at tournaments where the Devs are present.

Just now, Shadowhawk252 said:

Per the rules he’s right. Either it’s a typo in the rules reference that noones caught, or it’s never come up before because no ones challenged it. But per the rules as written, you cannot apply surges to uncanny luck rerolls.

I'm not arguing that it isn't part of the RAW, but a typo. Same as Armaments and Crew being left out of the RRG for months after their release, and Repair and Heal being unable to return Counterparts to a unit. The writers/editors/play testers don't always catch these strick RAW interactions of the rules.

4 minutes ago, Caimheul1313 said:

I'm not arguing that it isn't part of the RAW, but a typo.

I'd say it's more likely that it was a rules misunderstanding by the writer, or possibly the attack steps looked different when it was written and they never updated the draft. It's pretty clear it's not supposed to work that way, and I'm genuinely shocked no one has noticed until now.

38 minutes ago, arnoldrew said:

I'd say it's more likely that it was a rules misunderstanding by the writer, or possibly the attack steps looked different when it was written and they never updated the draft. It's pretty clear it's not supposed to work that way, and I'm genuinely shocked no one has noticed until now.

Well, no one noticed that per the rules as written, Heal and Repair aren't tied to the model provided by the upgrade. Nor has anyone really noticed that Repair can't bring back the C3-P0 model to the unit.

So, here we go guys, Alex Davy was so kind to answer my questions for third time this week:

Q: Hello again, The Uncanny Luck keyword entry in the RRG seems to establish that the defense dice are re-rolled during attack step number 8: Modify defense dice. This is not written as such in Han Solo's card. The rules also say that defense dice are re-rolled, if any, during step 7b. Right now, there's nothing in the game that could make you re-roll defense dice during step 7b, other than Uncanny Luck, so it seems strange. Considering that applying surges happens during step 7c, this means that both Han and Cad Bane cannot apply their natural surge to the re-rolled dice. Is this the intention?

A: Hello again Qwar,

The first bullet point of the Uncanny Lucky Rules Reference entry is in error.

It should instead read: Defense dice are rerolled in the "Reroll Dice" substep of the “Roll Defense Dice” step of an attack.

This will be corrected in the next Rules Reference update.

11 minutes ago, Qwar said:

So, here we go guys, Alex Davy was so kind to answer my questions for third time this week:

Q: Hello again, The Uncanny Luck keyword entry in the RRG seems to establish that the defense dice are re-rolled during attack step number 8: Modify defense dice. This is not written as such in Han Solo's card. The rules also say that defense dice are re-rolled, if any, during step 7b. Right now, there's nothing in the game that could make you re-roll defense dice during step 7b, other than Uncanny Luck, so it seems strange. Considering that applying surges happens during step 7c, this means that both Han and Cad Bane cannot apply their natural surge to the re-rolled dice. Is this the intention?

A: Hello again Qwar,

The first bullet point of the Uncanny Lucky Rules Reference entry is in error.

It should instead read: Defense dice are rerolled in the "Reroll Dice" substep of the “Roll Defense Dice” step of an attack.

This will be corrected in the next Rules Reference update.

That is great I've not had one answer i about 2 years