If the AAT is in range 1-2 of R2 but also in Range 4 of other units, can the tank use the lateral anti-personnel lasers to shoot R2 or is it forced to use the turret to shoot other units?

If r2 has a suppression then the aat will be forced to shoot at another target if able. Inconspicuous really doesn’t leave a lot of room for interpretations.

I assume R2 has suppression, otherwise shoot away.

If you can shoot something else, you have to. But you have arsenal 2, so if you didn't bring another long range weapon, you could shoot the second gun at r2.

I assume the question also has to do with Barrage. Since Barrage only triggers if you didn't use Arsenal, then I would say in the situation that @SailorMeni indicates you are fine to target R2.

I’m always confused by this, too. Would the ruling be the same with Reckless Diversion in place of R2 w/ suppression?

5 hours ago, smickletz said:

I’m always confused by this, too. Would the ruling be the same with Reckless Diversion in place of R2 w/ suppression?

What do you mean by that? Can you elaborate so I make sure I completely understand before trying to answer?

On a similar theme -

5 Storm Troopers are at range 3 of several rebel units and are at range 1 of only R2 with a supression token.

if they use blasters they can't shoot R2. If however they are armed with concussion grenades as well can they declare using the range 1 grenades therefore only R2 is in range so they can shoot the pesky little droid with 5 black dice and ignore cover as a bonus?

3 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

What do you mean by that? Can you elaborate so I make sure I completely understand before trying to answer?

Yes, thanks.

So if Han plays Reckless Diversion and is at range 3-4 and the unit the AAT wants to Target is at range 1, is the AAT only allowed to target Han?

Similarly, if R2 has a suppression and is at Range 1 and can’t be targeted, is the AAT forced to only use weapons that can target a legal target at range 3-4?

My understanding has been that units must contribute all eligible weapons to the eligible target and can’t split fire, even if, say, a heavy weapon can’t see the target but can see R2. I could see the case that Arsenal X could potentially get around this since each attack pool is different and may have different eligible targets.

57 minutes ago, Mad Cat said:

On a similar theme -

5 Storm Troopers are at range 3 of several rebel units and are at range 1 of only R2 with a supression token.

if they use blasters they can't shoot R2. If however they are armed with concussion grenades as well can they declare using the range 1 grenades therefore only R2 is in range so they can shoot the pesky little droid with 5 black dice and ignore cover as a bonus?

36 minutes ago, smickletz said:

Yes, thanks.

So if Han plays Reckless Diversion and is at range 3-4 and the unit the AAT wants to Target is at range 1, is the AAT only allowed to target Han?

Similarly, if R2 has a suppression and is at Range 1 and can’t be targeted, is the AAT forced to only use weapons that can target a legal target at range 3-4?

My understanding has been that units must contribute all eligible weapons to the eligible target and can’t split fire, even if, say, a heavy weapon can’t see the target but can see R2. I could see the case that Arsenal X could potentially get around this since each attack pool is different and may have different eligible targets.

I think both of these are answered by this post in the FAQ:

My understanding is as follows: You HAVE to declare an attack with any possible weapons against a Reckless Diversion target, if you have weapons leftover that can't (and enough Arsenal to fire that weapon), then you are able to pick a non Reckless Diversion target for that weapon only.

In the case of the squad with the grenades, they HAVE to use their rifles. "You MUST attack another target if able."

I don't know how you can mental gymnastics your way around R2-D2's rule.

If you have another valid target, you can't target him.

On 7/2/2020 at 7:04 PM, lologrelol said:

I don't know how you can mental gymnastics your way around R2-D2's rule.

If you have another valid target, you can't target him.

I think what happens is you say “My tank is using Arsenal 2; the main gun has range 2-4 and therefore must shoot this target in the range 3 band since R2 has a suppression. My anti-infantry guns are only Range 1-2 and can only target R2 therefore he is the only eligible target since he is within Range 2 and all other targets are beyond Range 2.” You can’t use your second weapon to target anything other than R2 making him targetable. Since you used Arsenal, you cannot use Barrage and be forced to target something outside of Range 2 with the main gun. This also only applies if you have no other shells equipped that can be used to target other units - you would be forced to exhaust those shells and ignore R2.

On 7/1/2020 at 9:22 PM, Caimheul1313 said:

In the case of the squad with the grenades, they HAVE to use their rifles. "You MUST attack another target if able."

I get the grenades, but say you have your heavy weapon hidden around a corner without LOS to a Reckless Diversion style target. I’ve heard both you cannot split fire and you can split fire if the heavy cannot target the Reckless Diversion with any eligible weapons. The most reliable ruling I’ve heard is you can only form one attack pool using eligible weapons against Reckless Diversion and the unit as a who,e cannot select other targets; you simply lose that non-LOS mini’s contribution. Is that correct?

Old thread on Reckless Diversion:

37 minutes ago, smickletz said:

I think what happens is you say “My tank is using Arsenal 2; the main gun has range 2-4 and therefore must shoot this target in the range 3 band since R2 has a suppression. My anti-infantry guns are only Range 1-2 and can only target R2 therefore he is the only eligible target since he is within Range 2 and all other targets are beyond Range 2.” You can’t use your second weapon to target anything other than R2 making him targetable. Since you used Arsenal, you cannot use Barrage and be forced to target something outside of Range 2 with the main gun. This also only applies if you have no other shells equipped that can be used to target other units - you would be forced to exhaust those shells and ignore R2.

I get the grenades, but say you have your heavy weapon hidden around a corner without LOS to a Reckless Diversion style target. I’ve heard both you cannot split fire and you can split fire if the heavy cannot target the Reckless Diversion with any eligible weapons. The most reliable ruling I’ve heard is you can only form one attack pool using eligible weapons against Reckless Diversion and the unit as a who,e cannot select other targets; you simply lose that non-LOS mini’s contribution. Is that correct?

There are three things to keep in mind:

1. "if able." If a model doesn't have line of sight to a defender, it can't attack it.

2. Reckless Diversion doesn't force a unit to perform the attack action. Therefore, it can't force an AAT to use Barrage. So you can use Arsenal to split fire IF the Reckless Diversion unit isn't in range of both weapons.

3. If a unit performing an attack can target a Reckless Diversion unit, every model in the attacking unit must select a weapon capable of targeting the Reckless Diversion unit, if able.

On 7/2/2020 at 8:04 PM, lologrelol said:

I don't know how you can mental gymnastics your way around R2-D2's rule.

If you have another valid target, you can't target him.

Correct, but if I have a weapon that can ONLY target R2, and declare an attack with that weapon, then I can shoot R2. So long as as the AAT does not have a third weapon that COULD target another unit, they can use the anti-infantry guns which can only target R2 to shoot R2.

59 minutes ago, smickletz said:

I think what happens is you say “My tank is using Arsenal 2; the main gun has range 2-4 and therefore must shoot this target in the range 3 band since R2 has a suppression. My anti-infantry guns are only Range 1-2 and can only target R2 therefore he is the only eligible target since he is within Range 2 and all other targets are beyond Range 2.” You can’t use your second weapon to target anything other than R2 making him targetable. Since you used Arsenal, you cannot use Barrage and be forced to target something outside of Range 2 with the main gun. This also only applies if you have no other shells equipped that can be used to target other units - you would be forced to exhaust those shells and ignore R2.

I get the grenades, but say you have your heavy weapon hidden around a corner without LOS to a Reckless Diversion style target. I’ve heard both you cannot split fire and you can split fire if the heavy cannot target the Reckless Diversion with any eligible weapons. The most reliable ruling I’ve heard is you can only form one attack pool using eligible weapons against Reckless Diversion and the unit as a who,e cannot select other targets; you simply lose that non-LOS mini’s contribution. Is that correct?

I don't think you would be FORCED to use Arsenal and exhaust the shells, I just think you wouldn't be allowed to use the shells to target R2. So long as you are targeting another unit with the main gun, you have fulfilled the Incognito requirement. So you COULD still use barrage, even if you have shells.

As to the non-LoS heavy: if it was a regular trooper then it would definitely not be able to form a new attack pool as the target for E-11 blasters has already been declared. Since the heavy does not have Line of Sight and has a weapon other than the E-11, it falls into the last sentence of the post I linked above:

" The attacking unit can only form a second dice pool if, after first forming a dice pool with all eligible weapons, there are still weapons useable by the unit that were not eligible to be added to the attack pool targeting the enemy trooper unit with a face-up order token."

10 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Correct, but if I have a weapon that can ONLY target R2, and declare an attack with that weapon, then I can shoot R2. So long as as the AAT does not have a third weapon that COULD target another unit, they can use the anti-infantry guns which can only target R2 to shoot R2.

I don't think you would be FORCED to use Arsenal and exhaust the shells, I just think you wouldn't be allowed to use the shells to target R2. So long as you are targeting another unit with the main gun, you have fulfilled the Incognito requirement. So you COULD still use barrage, even if you have shells.

As to the non-LoS heavy: if it was a regular trooper then it would definitely not be able to form a new attack pool as the target for E-11 blasters has already been declared. Since the heavy does not have Line of Sight and has a weapon other than the E-11, it falls into the last sentence of the post I linked above:

" The attacking unit can only form a second dice pool if, after first forming a dice pool with all eligible weapons, there are still weapons useable by the unit that were not eligible to be added to the attack pool targeting the enemy trooper unit with a face-up order token."

I think the only situation this would apply is if the arsenal weapon has no other target options. It's underhanded, but it works.

5 minutes ago, lologrelol said:

I think the only situation this would apply is if the arsenal weapon has no other target options. It's underhanded, but it works.

Correct, that is what I was trying to communicate. And that it is the ONLY other weapon you could select.
As with many things in the ruleset, it is very much a corner case, but it does meet the requirements...

2 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Correct, that is what I was trying to communicate. And that it is the ONLY other weapon you could select.
As with many things in the ruleset, it is very much a corner case, but it does meet the requirements...

Yeah I understand. I mean that I just think its not in the 'spirit' of R2's rule. But dem's da rules, so I'd still go with your understanding of it anyway.

4 hours ago, lologrelol said:

Yeah I understand. I mean that I just think its not in the 'spirit' of R2's rule. But dem's da rules, so I'd still go with your understanding of it anyway.

Why is it not? If the unit ONLY had the one weapon which could only target R2, they would be just as able to target R2.

11 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Why is it not? If the unit ONLY had the one weapon which could only target R2, they would be just as able to target R2.

I told you I agree with the rule mechanically.

Just now, lologrelol said:

I told you I agree with the rule mechanically.

Yes I get that, I'm just not sure how you don't think it is in the "spirit" of the rule. Now, if you could choose which weapon to use in order ensure targeting R2, I'd agree with you there.

R2D2 vs 1-pip Grievous' card
I have General Grievous at range 1 to R2D2 with suppression token and to one other unit. Can I attack R2D2 with 1-pip card assuming I've already attacked that other unit?

47 minutes ago, NetCop said:

R2D2 vs 1-pip Grievous' card
I have General Grievous at range 1 to R2D2 with suppression token and to one other unit. Can I attack R2D2 with 1-pip card assuming I've already attacked that other unit?

Yes. You don't even have to pick another target first. That attack targets everything within range 1 of Grievous, which means you can't pick another target instead of R2. It is functionally an area weapon.

Great discussion everyone! I think this clarifies multiple targeting disputes that could arise in a game.