Just now, Bertie Wooster said:

Yes this is aggravating. Now Gink won't even vote for his top scum pick.

I don't have Gink's vote?

wtf

@PodRacer hammer?

Hammer I think? @PodRacer

omg

##unvote

##vote jabba

Time.

Final VC

Jabba (4) ovi , jabba, Bertie,LP

Gink (2) GNIP, Forty

Mad (1) ninja

Bertie (2) Ebon, Gink

No lynch was achieved.

Night two begins, and will end at 1700 GMT tomorrow

Votes after Lord preyers will be counted as after time, we have compared various screenshots of the final minutes of day, it appears as tho post didn't appear chronologically at times with a flurry of posts being submitted at once, so I can only go with the timestamps the forum was showing me at the time.

Sorry can smell burning nearby

@Madaghmire is warned if he doesn't post game advancing content day three he will surely be modkilled.

13 minutes ago, Ginkapo said:

Sorry can smell burning nearby

Probably me

Day three dawn's and the players gather, however someone is missing. @Ginkapo has been killed. He was vanilla town.

Day three begins and will end at midnight GMT tomorrow.

@ovinomanc3r

@Madaghmire *participation strike

@CaribbeanNinja

@GhostofNobodyInParticular

@Lord PreyerPreyer

@ebon hawkhawk

@EbonHawk

@The JabbawookieJabbawookie

@FortyInRed

@Bertie Wooster

With 9 players alive, 5 to hammer.

7 minutes ago, PodRacer said:

Day three dawn's and the players gather, however someone is missing. @Ginkapo has been killed. He was vanilla town.

I mean.. I told you so

I'm concerned why Preyer was so insistent Gink was scum, yesterday, while aslo flopping his vote around. Forty /Mads also suspect rn

Yet to sleep so not sure how active I'll be

Sorry lost track of this. Suddenly inundated with work.

I’ll be active the rest of the way

All right.

So, reads:

Me: Town, which is good since apparently I can’t be killed even when I jump on my own train. Surprised I woke up.

LP: Didn’t want to hammer town. I’m peeved we didn’t get a lynch, but it’s the world we live in so I’ll take his action as townish.

Ebon: Seems pretty consistent. Would absolutely re-evaluate if Gink pops scum. Would like a tangible answer for why he’s town-reading Gink so hard.

Ebon why did you town-read Gink so hard? Was it fundamentally just gut?

Bertie: Town because we’re idea twinsies and it bugs Gink. All right, honestly I just like his game so far better than a lot of players. I've not ruled him out for it, but a lot of people doing way worse right now.

Ninja: Resident true neutral. Tried to start a third train on Mads when it really wasn’t the time. Good cause, bad/scummy execution. Voted me, but way too late, but things were moving fast.

Gink: Failed to get on a train for a lynch he didn’t want. Failed to get on a train for a lynch he did want. Lot of talk, very few results for a guy who perfectly understands the game halfway through D1. Some chance he isn’t scum because I feel like we’re speaking two different languages.

GNIPs: Play feels opportunistic. Hits that line between "here" and "not here." Pushed Gink/me when neither was correct, listed Ebon as a likely suspect (alright, but I disagree.) Didn't like pushing Forty or Ovi, my other prime suspects right now.

Forty: Quick reads, still not seeing deep analysis. Obviously I agreed with his sentiments on Gink, but like GNIPs he was ultimately pushing town so it's not cred-earning.

Mads: Scummarining hard on a game worthy of comment. This is relevant if he isn't modkilled. Again, a tactic he's used before in arguments.

Ovi: Early scummarining but often present. Advocated for a D1 no-lynch with Gink despite the fact it gives scum more total kills in exchange for 5 unproductive hours. Posted a little more of late.

##vote @GhostofNobodyInParticular

We haven't really given you a spotlight yet, have we? What's your take on recent events?

10 minutes ago, Madaghmire said:

Sorry lost track of this

Don't worry, Pod couldn't keep track of the votes either.

But seriously, that was a ****show yesterday. I'm pretty sure we had time when it all went down, but I'm not the mod, so in order to prevent that, y'all really need to get your **** together way before the deadline. I watched the game ALL DAY.

Rereading everything as penitence last night, I'm more convinced ---> ##vote Forty.

Gnip (1) Jabba

Forty (1) Ninja

10 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

All right.

So, reads:

Me:

LP:

Ebon:

Bertie:

Ninja:

Gink:

GNIPs:

Forty:

Mads:

Ovi:

I am a sucker for color, so I thought I'd chime in with my own.

29 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Ovi: Early scummarining but often present. Advocated for a D1 no-lynch with Gink despite the fact it gives scum more total kills in exchange for 5 unproductive hours. Posted a little more of late.

This is a blatant lie.

Neither him or me advocated for a no-lynch. You twisting word so hard here that I'm gonna keep my vote where I left it yesterday.

##votw Jabba

Ebon read Gink town as I did cause he was the only one hunting scum d1 while everyone else was worried about Lemming Lord

2 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

This is a blatant lie.

Neither him or me advocated for a no-lynch. You twisting word so hard here that I'm gonna keep my vote where I left it yesterday.

##votw Jabba

Ebon read Gink town as I did cause he was the only one hunting scum d1 while everyone else was worried about Lemming Lord

On 5/29/2020 at 2:43 AM, ovinomanc3r said:

While your numbers seems right that is natural scum reasoning as they have better knowledge of the killing flow. For them is easier to solve that kind of situations as they know how many kill they may perform one given night.

As town I don't like lynch town. I do, cause sometimes is needed to unveil the truth but the case around Rav was easy. If he was scum he wasn't an immediate threat due to his inactivity. If he was town we could miss his votes but the truth is that scum would need also to drag more town to lynch themselves and they would be further from getting their default win-con. Yes, the more votes, the harder to get the lynch but that's something we may also use to hunt scum. That's your point against Gink. You could make that point tomorrow with one town player more anyways, despite he was useless.

Fundamentally, a D1 no-lynch does two things: puts more time on the clock, and gives scum the first kill. Scum, oddly enough, tends not to kill themselves for us.

Town kills are categorically better than scum kills, because they leave a paper trail and aren't guaranteed to be against our interests.

He wasn't even town what makes his dead harmless somehow and that's the reason I don't care too much, but at the end, lynching him just put scum closer to their default win-con; they are closer to outnumber us. And what we get? We needs the same votes. Why? We don't know but as I said, scum are the guys who have got more insight of the killing flow, they likely manipulate it to control the game. They may do it during night through kills and during days through votes.

Yes, and if true that means Reavern is dead instead of a target of scum's choice.

I advocated more than once for no-lynch to counter scum-play as town (and for no-kill as scum, let's be honest XD) or other lynching strategies but here I cannot see any advantage from lynching Rav right away instead of actual scumhunting. I am guilty cause I didn't contribute a **** but Gink and Ebon were the only two guys really playing town yesterday. Everyone else were playing scum or something else.

Huh. Could have fooled me.

Also, realized I never addressed this. So now I did.

Also, stop acting like scumhunting was on the table. None of you know how to scumhunt D1. Prove me wrong next game.

I kinda treat D1 town as a bunch of distracted small children now who need to be herded to reading time.

Because town has consistently, repeatedly lacked the participation or focus to get a vote, let alone scumhunt.

We almost didn't get a vote.

And then the next day I get bullsh*t for it, and then we don't get a vote.

And the guy giving me the most crap doesn't vote me.

And I vote me.

And the next day, you're still voting me, because apparently proving my motivations right by trying to kill myself just isn't enough.

10 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

trying to kill myself

lol, that's why you're green in my book...

It's not easy being green

##unvote

##vote @ovinomanc3r

Only real hesitance I have is the utter cheek it would take.

Because otherwise this is just sinful.

10 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Huh. Could have fooled me.

Also, realized I never addressed this. So now I did.

There I didn't advocated for a no-lynch. I said sometimes it makes sense. What I pointed out was that to vote Rav just to avoid a no-lynch wasn't a good reason. He was harmless.

1 minute ago, The Jabbawookie said:

Also, stop acting like scumhunting was on the table. None of you know how to scumhunt D1. Prove me wrong next game.

Even being hard, it is possible. As I said, we knew Rav wasn't a real threat, every other shot would have been more productive. If you wanted to get rid of him just to avoid trolling him, that's ok, but the reason you gave (and you were the only one who cared about elaborating the reason of that vote) was wrong (I won't say it made no sense, cause that's not true).

6 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

And the next day, you're still voting me, because apparently proving my motivations right by trying to kill myself just isn't enough.

Sorry if I'm more practical but from my point of view, you tried to prove your point through getting you killed but didn't die, what, if we take the try the same as the success, well, that's convenient to you.

I honestly vote you just for you read on me, cause it doesn't look like a read rather than an manipulated characterization. On the other hand I'm not sure why VT and "hey I'm voting me" should proof anything. But I'm not stuck with you. My vote is in just in case. I'm gonna still reading through this to find the best place to out my vote, but you're a good one.

4 minutes ago, The Jabbawookie said:

##unvote

##vote @ovinomanc3r

Only real hesitance I have is the utter cheek it would take.

Because otherwise this is just sinful.

Seriously?

3 minutes ago, ovinomanc3r said:

There I didn't advocated for a no-lynch. I said sometimes it makes sense. What I pointed out was that to vote Rav just to avoid a no-lynch wasn't a good reason. He was harmless.

Better to flip someone who might be scum than have scum flip someone who is guaranteed not to be. That's the effect. If scum fudged with the numbers, it means they didn't get to kill someone better.

But alright, you characterized a D1 no-lynch as okay, rather than advocating for it. It's still not, but the distinction is clear. I still dislike it.

Even being hard, it is possible. As I said, we knew Rav wasn't a real threat, every other shot would have been more productive. If you wanted to get rid of him just to avoid trolling him, that's ok, but the reason you gave (and you were the only one who cared about elaborating the reason of that vote) was wrong (I won't say it made no sense, cause that's not true).

Then make it happen. Or don't be disappointed about getting the consolation prize when some of us worked for it. I'm starting to think scumhunting really isn't possible for us, but you had most of the day to do it.

Sorry if I'm more practical but from my point of view, you tried to prove your point through getting you killed but didn't die, what, if we take the try the same as the success, well, that's convenient to you.

Believe me, from my point of view it's not the same as actual success because I'm still here. You aren't wrong though. Just picking a weird choice.

I honestly vote you just for you read on me, cause it doesn't look like a read rather than an manipulated characterization. On the other hand I'm not sure why VT and "hey I'm voting me" should proof anything. But I'm not stuck with you. My vote is in just in case. I'm gonna still reading through this to find the best place to out my vote, but you're a good one.

@LTD room in the self-imposed-exile club after things wrap up?

So when @Madaghmire is absent from the game, no night kill. When he comes back, Gink dies. Hmmm.