Can Dewbacks and Tauntauns (as long as they're from different units ofc) provide cover to other Tauntauns and Dewbacks?

56 minutes ago, Lightrock said:

Can Dewbacks and Tauntauns (as long as they're from different units ofc) provide cover to other Tauntauns and Dewbacks?

Yes.

"Creature troopers can obscure other minis, and provide light cover when doing so."

1 hour ago, Lemmiwinks86 said:

Yes.

"Creature troopers can obscure other minis, and provide light cover when doing so."

Obscure being at least 50%...

1 hour ago, Deddog said:

Obscure being at least 50%...

No, that's not how that works. You just need to block some part of the mini, and have the center to center line go through the intervening terrain/model. The 50% only comes into play pregame. After that, it's any percentage.

Yeah, the middle line needs to be covered to get obscured.

Yes if the unit is obscured in any way and you can draw a line through the creature troopers base from the centre of the attacking leader's base to the target.

In the case of a unit is sitting between the attacker and the centre line passes through a creature troopers base it provides cover.

The 50% rule is used for terrain and not miniatures, so a creature trooper could provide light cover to a larger unit, so unlikely as it may seem a Dewback can provide light cover to an AT ST even though it may not come up to 50% since the Dewback is not terrain. Only terrain is used to judge to provide cover if it comes to 50% of the unit and this is decided pregame.

(Just to clarify that last part the base of the mini, up to the height of the mini, if any part of this cylinder obscures any part of the unit being shot then the ground vehicle or creature trooper provides light cover, so if you have a clear shot to the mini over the creature/ vehicle you get no cover but if this cyclinder blocks even the slightest part of the mini including it's base you get light cover if it also passes the line through the base of the creature/vehicle)

13 hours ago, syrath said:

The 50% rule is used for terrain and not miniatures, so a creature trooper could provide light cover to a larger unit, so unlikely as it may seem a Dewback can provide light cover to an AT ST even though it may not come up to 50% since the Dewback is not terrain. Only terrain is used to judge to provide cover if it comes to 50% of the unit and this is decided pregame.

I disagree with this part. Units that provide cover are treated as area terrain (check the Cover section on pages 27-29), so they should reasonably follow the area terrain rules. Of course players can define terrain however they like, but I don't think it's accurate to say the 50% guideline doesn't apply to them.

23 minutes ago, nashjaee said:

I disagree with this part. Units that provide cover are treated as area terrain (check the Cover section on pages 27-29), so they should reasonably follow the area terrain rules. Of course players can define terrain however they like, but I don't think it's accurate to say the 50% guideline doesn't apply to them.

Either way, the 50% rule is pre-game as far as I'm aware, and I think it's reasonable to say that a piece of area terrain with the same height and base size as a specific model is capable of covering 50% of said model.

Edit: That's not to say that new units won't cause different situations than the current, requiring re-evaluation on a case by case basis.

1 hour ago, nashjaee said:

I disagree with this part. Units that provide cover are treated as area terrain (check the Cover section on pages 27-29), so they should reasonably follow the area terrain rules. Of course players can define terrain however they like, but I don't think it's accurate to say the 50% guideline doesn't apply to them.

page 28, it's quite clear.

When treated as area terrain, the AT-RT forms a cylindrical zone, defined by the edges of it’s base and the highest point of it’s mini. When checking line of sight, a defending mini obscured by this zone will benefit from light cover.

No mention of 50% just that if a mini is obscured by the zone that the cylinder makes then it's provided with light cover.

Edit I'll back down from this one on re-reading page 8 it's clear you still have to call on units pregame whether, for example an atrt provides cover to an atst. Although only the AT ST is probably the only unit that another creature or emplacement is 50% of, except mortar or Mk2s, even those would be 50% I think but I'd have to check.

2 hours ago, Caimheul1313 said:

Either way, the 50% rule is pre-game as far as I'm aware, and I think it's reasonable to say that a piece of area terrain with the same height and base size as a specific model is capable of covering 50% of said model.

Edit: That's not to say that new units won't cause different situations than the current, requiring re-evaluation on a case by case basis.

Right, I was responding specifically to the ATST example. A mortar as area terrain, for example, does not come close to covering 50% of an ATST and should not provide cover to it.

1 hour ago, syrath said:

Edit I'll back down from this one on re-reading page 8 it's clear you still have to call on units pregame whether, for example an atrt provides cover to an atst. Although only the AT ST is probably the only unit that another creature or emplacement is 50% of, except mortar or Mk2s, even those would be 50% I think but I'd have to check.

Yeah I think all of the smaller units (mortars, MKIIs, creatures) should be able to provide cover to each other. The ATST benefiting from cover is really the questionable one to me. I'd have to check the models but maybe a tauntaun can provide cover to it depending how the ATST is posed.

3 minutes ago, nashjaee said:

Right, I was responding specifically to the ATST example. A mortar as area terrain, for example, does not come close to covering 50% of an ATST and should not provide cover to it.

Yeah I think all of the smaller units (mortars, MKIIs, creatures) should be able to provide cover to each other. The ATST benefiting from cover is really the questionable one to me. I'd have to check the models but maybe a tauntaun can provide cover to it depending how the ATST is posed.

And all of this might change with the upcoming LoS rules changes, which I imagine would also change determining Cover... The period between knowing a change is coming and knowing the contents of the change is frustrating to me.

Edit: Sorry, didn't see mention of the AT-ST in the posting to which you were replying.