With some local players we want to organize a league to get acquaintance with the game. Trying to understand all the set up of a match, there is one point we are doubting:

In other games, is well stablished at which point both players reveal their army/army list to the opponent. We can’t find this in Star Wars Legion, checking both game rules reference and tournament rules. We understand it really doesn't matter for casual games, but being a semi-competitive league, we would want this point to be played the same for all our players.

So, is there any rule/general consensus? Before defining terrain? During the "Select Player Color" step? Before defining Battlefield? Before deployment? Is the deployment itself the way to reveal your army to the opponent?

Thanks in advance.

There is no rule for it, but i assume you show your list just before the game, so before placement, and terrain if the table is not already set.

Your army list is never hidden information (excepting only your command card hand). This is part of the reason you "have" to own a card for every unit and upgrade you want to field: the cards ARE your army list, and are setup as part of establishing the battlefield before the game begins.

From page 6 of the RRG:

"1. Establish Battlefield and Gather Components: Establish a 3' x 6' battlefield on a flat surface. The players sit across from each other on the 6' edges of the play area and place their units, cards, order tokens, movement tools, and other game components off the play area. Then, they assign ID tokens to their units, if necessary."

On 1/10/2020 at 3:40 PM, Dalae said:

With some local players we want to organize a league to get acquaintance with the game. Trying to understand all the set up of a match, there is one point we are doubting:

In other games, is well stablished at which point both players reveal their army/army list to the opponent. We can’t find this in Star Wars Legion, checking both game rules reference and tournament rules. We understand it really doesn't matter for casual games, but being a semi-competitive league, we would want this point to be played the same for all our players.

So, is there any rule/general consensus? Before defining terrain? During the "Select Player Color" step? Before defining Battlefield? Before deployment? Is the deployment itself the way to reveal your army to the opponent?

Thanks in advance.

Sounds like the concern is people changing their list after seeing their opponents? For casual tournaments do not worry about it. If it becomes an issue, talk with those doing it.

2 hours ago, Chickenpuppy said:

Sounds like the concern is people changing their list after seeing their opponents? For casual tournaments do not worry about it. If it becomes an issue, talk with those doing it.

The easiest way to avoid it for tournaments (casual or otherwise) is require all players to turn in a copy of their army list to the TO. Army composition shouldn't be changed in the middle of a tournament, with the exception of special tournament types, like escalation.

Even in friendly wargame tournaments I try to bring enough extra copies of my list to provide my opponents with a copy to review/reference during the game.

1 minute ago, Caimheul1313 said:

The easiest way to avoid it for tournaments (casual or otherwise) is require all players to turn in a copy of their army list to the TO. Army composition shouldn't be changed in the middle of a tournament, with the exception of special tournament types, like escalation.

Even in friendly wargame tournaments I try to bring enough extra copies of my list to provide my opponents with a copy to review/reference during the game.

I agree for tournaments. We run a league that lasts a couple of months that allows for list changes. Our league organizer has not asked for lists since it is casual. I imagine the overhead, time, for keeping track of all of that does not make sense.

Just now, Chickenpuppy said:

I agree for tournaments. We run a league that lasts a couple of months that allows for list changes. Our league organizer has not asked for lists since it is casual. I imagine the overhead, time, for keeping track of all of that does not make sense.

League is a different kettle of fish to tournaments. Tournaments the organizer is generally on hand, leagues don't always have that depending on organization. In my area though, generally players have an army in mind before they even arrive and only have those units on hand anyway.

7 hours ago, Chickenpuppy said:

Sounds like the concern is people changing their list after seeing their opponents? For casual tournaments do not worry about it. If it becomes an issue, talk with those doing it.

Well, it's more about playing the game correctly.

We understand that some of the decisions you take during the setup (choosing side, going for specific victory conditions/deployment zones/special conditions, the way and order that you deploy, etc.) can be affected if you know or not your opponent's army list beforehand.

Just wanting to play it as expected.

On 1/10/2020 at 2:40 PM, Dalae said:

So, is there any rule/general consensus? Before defining terrain? During the "Select Player Color" step? Before defining Battlefield? Before deployment? Is the deployment itself the way to reveal your army to the opponent?

Thanks in advance.

At a tournament your list will be fixed for the entirety of the event. Exchange army lists first. Also, if the TO is organized the terrain will be predefined (meaning there is no "define the terrain" part).

Once you swap lists, you will know which player has the largest bid and can choose Blue or Red player. Once that player chooses Blue or Red, the Blue player will shuffle and play their Battle Cards onto the table. The players will take turns vetoing one Battle Card (Blue player, Red, Blue, then Red) (a player may pass and choose not to veto a card). Once that step is complete, modify the table to add objectives/conditions (Vaporators/Mines). Then Deployment (starting with Blue player again).